The mighty TIGER, or not so much?

[sethipus]

Played a few sims in my time, finally tried an AH Tiger today.

What a joke, don't waste your perkies.

Says a guy who apparently believed that the Tiger should actually be invincible, and slaughter everything at will.  Sorry, doesn't work that way.  In real life Tigers got killed too you know.  Look, the numbers don't lie.  If you want to make a credible case that the Tiger isn't the toughest (not invincible, but toughest) tank vs. tank vehicle in the game, please feel free to do so.  But back up the claim with more than your experience of finally driving your first Tiger and getting your donut handed to you.

[Warspawn]

I wish I knew how the jeep drivers keep killing my Tiger.  I can't get my gun to bear, then suddenly they're ramming me, firing, and I'm dead.  Something wrong there.

[Spikes]

War it's a bug where they can drive into the body of the tank and shoot inside the hull.

[Fender16]

The Tiger is the King of the Jungle as long as there are no Shermans around.
I was tanking not too long ago in a Tiger and racked up 8 kills, took 5 damaging hits from Panzers and T34s. Last shot from a Panzer finally did me in.
I have been "1 shot killed" by a Sherman multiple times. I was just lucky this go 'round and didn't run into any that saw me first.
That being said, the Tiger is an amazing tank and the Sherman is it's equal in the game.
I'd have to agree to increase the amount of perks required to hop into a Sherman.

[Warspawn]

War it's a bug where they can drive into the body of the tank and shoot inside the hull.

Shouldn't they take damage from ramming me, or something?  That bug's been around for a year now at least.  Make it hurt to ram a tank in a jeep, or something...

[Bronk]

Shouldn't they take damage from ramming me, or something?  That bug's been around for a year now at least.  Make it hurt to ram a tank in a jeep, or something...

Shoot it from the commander's position. Light mg fire kills em quick.

[Warspawn]

Shoot it from the commander's position. Light mg fire kills em quick.

I tried, but the gun doesn't traverse a full 360 degrees from up there.  They ran til i couldn't fire on them, then I dropped down to turn and try, but by then they'd rammed me and killed my Tiger.

[KG45]

as a dedicated GVer, I'd say the Tiger costs waaaay too much. easily killed by the M4. and, i'm sure, by the new T34, but by not much else. i grabbed one once to defend a vehicle base, drove it 20 yds out of the hanger, and was killed by the first shot that hit me, presumably an M4 or another tiger. 50 perkies gone in 5 seconds. i've never bothered to get one since. tigers should cost no more than 15 perkies

but the Tiger is over modeled for damage also. recently watched a Tiger caught in the middle of a just-captured field withstand the assults of manned acks, field acks, planes, and about 15 75mm rounds from my LTV4. it was tracked, but the turret worked great, eventually finding and killing me. it was ridiculous.

and i don't understand why contact fused HE richorchets off of armor, instead of detonating.

[SD67]

Warspawn, did you know you can turn GV's in gun/commander positions using the rudder?

[SD67]

i grabbed one once to defend a vehicle base, drove it 20 yds out of the hanger, and was killed by the first shot that hit me, presumably an M4 or another tiger. 50 perkies gone in 5 seconds. i've never bothered to get one since.

I know I've killed tigers by camping the VH in a T34 from behind. If someone was right at the back door of the VH it's entirely possible they got you. Most of the time folks don't even get the chance to start up.

[theNewB]

At the range of 3,400 Firefly should have had a real hard time penatrating you (the Tiger I) frontally. while you should have a much easier time. GVing is not realistic for penetration data. Guns have abnormal hitting power and armour seems weak at some times and very strong at other, the code is either faulty or its for balance and gameplay reasons. Heres my post from another "sherman" topic, might give better insight to these 2 guns.

Firefly 17lber OQF MkIV (believe this is the gun we have in the 5C) Gun data.

APCBC (Armour Piercing Cap Ballistic Cap)

Muzzle Velocity: 2,900 Ft/Sec

Penetraion at 0 deg.

500m: 172mm
1000m: 162mm
1500m: 150mm

Pen. @ 30 deg.
500m: 136mm
1000m: 128mm
1500m: 119mm
2000m: 107mm (so no mantle penetration but everywhere else stands a good chance of full penetration)

so its safe to say at 2500m the 17lber will still penetrate your tigers frontal upper hull armour since it was only 100mm and the turret mantlet was only 110mm @ 0 deg. Either way I believe the firefly we are usuing has APCBC ammo (then again it only says "AP") so if its solid core AP round it will have less penetration then the APCBC. Just be thankful we dont have APDS (@ 1500m it penetrates 213mm @ 0 deg.) cause the tiger will be easily beat out to 3000m (give or take) as for the Firefly VC's Armour it was only 50.8mm @ 46 deg. front upper hull, turret was 76.2mm and mantlet was 88.9mm so the tiger should have no problem penetrating up to 2000m (but NOT the turret mentlet)

88mm KwK 36 L/56(? not sure about 56 sounds right)

Pzgr 39 APCBC (most likely the ammo we use in tiger in game)
Muzzle Velocity: 2,657 Ft/Sec

Penetration at 30 deg.

500m: 108mm
1000m: 100mm
1500m: 94mm (Technically a dead Firefly below this range)
2000m: 83mm (NO chance of a mantlet penetration but rest of turret no problem)

@ 90 deg.

500m: 130mm
1000m: 119mm
1500m: 109mm
2000m: 99mm
2500m: 90mm

so all in all the Firefly VC can penetrate the Tiger I at most normal ranges in the MA and vice versa so on paper they are both a pretty equal match in penetration but NOT in armour. So technically the 1st to shoot will win (in theroie) but we all know that things such as shot placement, packet loss, or just bad luck can effect the IN GAME values of armour. Then again this is a game so dont be suprised if the penetrations are off a bit or a lot.

anyway hope this info helps

[Lusche]

I tried, but the gun doesn't traverse a full 360 degrees from up there. 

The commander's pintle gun does rotate 360 degrees.

[Spikes]

The Tiger is the King of the Jungle as long as there are no Shermans around.

Yeah and what is when? NEVER. And if theres no shermans around and a Tiger, chances are someone's gunna up a sherman.

[Motherland]

I tried, but the gun doesn't traverse a full 360 degrees from up there.  They ran til i couldn't fire on them, then I dropped down to turn and try, but by then they'd rammed me and killed my Tiger.

The pintle gun has traversed 360* since.... since the Sherman was added, IIRC.

[stroker71]

So based on some of the replies with advantages given to the 2 main tanks of concern here (Tiger and FireFly).  It is reasonable to justify asking for another reduction of the tigers perk or the FireFly is raised up closer to the tigers.  Yes....no....maybe so!!

FYI i had the hit several panzers 3-4 times to kill them last night.  And it wasn't from that far away...1600 or so.  I personally think the gun on the tiger is porked.  Also tonight I made it onto an enemy vbase with a panzer.  Shot a panzer coming out of the hanger smoked him turet he turn turns and fires killing me in one shot...worst part was it was a numbers guys.  Not sure how you can fire with a dead turret.