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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #120 on: September 07, 2008, 02:32:55 PM »
Drill on and off shore !

  Fire The Do Nothing Democratic Controlled Senate ..... that sits on their collective butts (adjorned by that crazy bitOch, Nancy Palosi) , picking their noses at home ..... throwing a well planned snit-fit...... While the working class is raped by OPEC !

  

  


    
 
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #121 on: September 07, 2008, 05:03:56 PM »
Drilling in a park or wildlife reserve is dangerous because it will set a precedence.

This would only be the beginning of a dangerous game where the government has said that park land can be used by large corporations.

Just because people don't want to pay more for fuel.

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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #122 on: September 07, 2008, 05:06:37 PM »
Quote from: Baitman on September 07, 2008, 05:03:56 PM
Drilling in a park or wildlife reserve is dangerous because it will set a precedence.

This would only be the beginning of a dangerous game where the government has said that park land can be used by large corporations.

Just because people don't want to pay more for fuel.


It's not like they want to build a manufacturing plant.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #123 on: September 07, 2008, 05:06:52 PM »
Would you rather have cheap fuel or the pretty park you can't afford to drive to?  :)
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #124 on: September 07, 2008, 05:07:08 PM »
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Drilling in a park or wildlife reserve is dangerous because it will set a precedence.

It's our National park, not yours. We'll do with it as we see fit, tyvm.

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Just because people don't want to pay more for fuel.

It's not about paying more or less for fuel, it's about reducing our dependency on foreign energy as much as possible, preferably completely.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #125 on: September 07, 2008, 05:13:39 PM »
Drilling anywhere inside of a park or NWR will set a precedence. Some times the solutions will create more problems in the future.

Years ago drilling was proposed for geothermal heat near the Old Fathful Geyser (NOT IN THE PARK BUT CLOSE) and it was shot down because it could have impacted the Geyser. If the NWR drilling goes through you can bet all your money that they will start the drilling, why they may even drill right next to the Geyser. To save some one a few dollars on the electric bill.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #126 on: September 07, 2008, 05:17:31 PM »
Quote from: Bronk on September 07, 2008, 05:06:37 PM
It's not like they want to build a manufacturing plant.

I am in the drilling industry, I know how little impact the actual drilling will incur. That isn't the point. What will happen if some other resource becomes needed and it is in a park?

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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #127 on: September 07, 2008, 05:45:33 PM »
Quote from: Baitman on September 07, 2008, 05:13:39 PM
Drilling anywhere inside of a park or NWR will set a precedence. Some times the solutions will create more problems in the future.

Years ago drilling was proposed for geothermal heat near the Old Fathful Geyser (NOT IN THE PARK BUT CLOSE) and it was shot down because it could have impacted the Geyser. If the NWR drilling goes through you can bet all your money that they will start the drilling, why they may even drill right next to the Geyser. To save some one a few dollars on the electric bill.

It won't be setting a precedent for Canadian National parks now will it? When our drilling in one of our National Parks effects a Canadian National Park.....get back to me.

Drilling in ANWR will take place in a barren coastal plain. It won't effect the fragile ecosystem of the park further south of the coastal plain, so your analogy to Old Faithful isn't quite accurate.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #128 on: September 07, 2008, 05:46:45 PM »
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What will happen if some other resource becomes needed and it is in a park?

You go get it, when you are done....you restore things back to the way they were before you started.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #129 on: September 07, 2008, 06:02:01 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on September 07, 2008, 05:46:45 PM
You go get it, when you are done....you restore things back to the way they were before you started.



Can't economically "restore things back to the way they were before you started"

An open pit will be open forever.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #130 on: September 07, 2008, 06:30:50 PM »
Quote from: Baitman on September 07, 2008, 06:02:01 PM
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Can't economically "restore things back to the way they were before you started"

An open pit will be open forever.

This thread is about oil, and drilling for it......not pit mining, that's an entirely different issue.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #131 on: September 07, 2008, 06:42:19 PM »
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What will happen if some other resource becomes needed and it is in a park?

Quote from: Elfie on September 07, 2008, 05:46:45 PM
You go get it, when you are done....you restore things back to the way they were before you started.


Quote from: Elfie on September 07, 2008, 06:30:50 PM
This thread is about oil, and drilling for it......not pit mining, that's an entirely different issue.

But it is what will happen if large corporations are allowed to use resources that are in a park. I never said that I was against the drilling because I know that it can be done with very little disturbance if any. It is the Pandora's box that will be open and can not be shut. And yes the relationship with the old faithful geyser is valid.

I don't care if you convince the others to poke another hole in the barrel doesn't affect me, just be careful of what you wish for.
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #132 on: September 07, 2008, 06:48:25 PM »
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But it is what will happen if large corporations are allowed to use resources that are in a park.

Are any of Canada's parks going to be effected by drilling in ANWR?
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #133 on: September 07, 2008, 06:59:21 PM »
The problem that we had with the American Indians is that they eventually learned to read English and the treaties...   I don't think we're going to have that problem with lichen and caribou...  Drill! Baby! Drill!!!
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Re: ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
« Reply #134 on: September 07, 2008, 07:04:15 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on September 07, 2008, 06:48:25 PM
Are any of Canada's parks going to be effected by drilling in ANWR?

NO, I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT THEY WERE, OR SAID THAT I AM AGAINST YOU DRILLING YOUR OWN PARK. I DON'T CARE.



What I have said that you can seem to understand is

"that it is going to set a precident and if it happens there will be no ground that will be left untouchable for anything"
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