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Offline Chalenge

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 01:20:45 PM »
I like the P51 because in most situations you control the fight and I like fighting like that. Every now and then I run into someone that does the same to me and I hate it then so I can see why people post anti-pony anti-bnz comments. On those occasions where I was forced to fight from a point of disadvantage against greater numbers (alone) and still survived the guys that died attacking me didnt salute or make polite comments and I think its because they saw easy meat and came away hungry. It doesnt happen like that all the time for me and I doubt it happens like that all the time for any 'great' pony stick. I dont know how they think but I always say to myself 'I have killed them and they have killed me' and move on. Im not one of those guys that gets killed and has to go right back and kill the guy that got me but often times the guy that does shoot me finds out an hour or so later that while he was afk or typing in the text buffer that he was killed and never saw it coming and no I dont use second accounts thats just the nature of arena type games. That to me is a sweet kill.  :aok
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 01:22:38 PM »
P-51B has always had a sweet spot in my heart (as have several others). I like the plane itself. I'm not sure if I fly it to its best capabilities, but I enjoy it when I take it out. The 4x guns means you can't get snapshot kills, but you can take them, which means a very increased risk when you mix things up. Glancing blows on the enemy won't put 'em down.

On the other hand, as mentioned, 4x 50cal (and even 2x 50cal) are more than capable of killing foes if you get your shot right before you pull the trigger.

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 01:32:23 PM »
My squadie beaston loves the ponyB.
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 01:44:35 PM »
No problem Cap, I am just pointing out that nothing you ever do in the game will stop the fact that 99% of the time after "You shot down ______", _____ will be able to point out something horribly gamey, dweebey, unfair, etc that you did. You either had energy, or numbers, or a dweeb plane, or you hacked, or you got lucky, 95% of the time.


oooo make no mistake.......i don't care how the other guy flys really. i simply stated a fact that i see.

i die a lot too. i don't run very often from a fight, as i'm not normally in a plane that can run.
 as i've said in other threads too, when i do get a picker, i try to evade, and try to include some increase in my alt on each evasive. i've yet to learn how to turn my disadvantage into an advantage by other means, but i'll figure it out sooner or later.


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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 01:46:49 PM »
I like the P51 because in most situations you control the fight and I like fighting like that. Every now and then I run into someone that does the same to me and I hate it then so I can see why people post anti-pony anti-bnz comments. On those occasions where I was forced to fight from a point of disadvantage against greater numbers (alone) and still survived the guys that died attacking me didnt salute or make polite comments and I think its because they saw easy meat and came away hungry. It doesnt happen like that all the time for me and I doubt it happens like that all the time for any 'great' pony stick. I dont know how they think but I always say to myself 'I have killed them and they have killed me' and move on. Im not one of those guys that gets killed and has to go right back and kill the guy that got me but often times the guy that does shoot me finds out an hour or so later that while he was afk or typing in the text buffer that he was killed and never saw it coming and no I dont use second accounts thats just the nature of arena type games. That to me is a sweet kill.  :aok

LIKE I said...i don't really care how the other guy flys. yes, it does spoil the fun of a good furball. yes, it is MUCH harder to avoid those attacks.

 to me it is also hard to hit a target when i'm moving that fast too. i've tried in the past.

 hell, the other night, i sw a guy in a zeke(think it was spinnach?) BnZ'ing. was the first time i've seen that. i would never have thought of that in m zeke honestly.

 my only point was/is, that in the right hands, the pony CAN beat(i think) 90% of what's in here in an given situation. i only wish i could fly it that well.
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2008, 01:49:32 PM »
No problem Cap, I am just pointing out that nothing you ever do in the game will stop the fact that 99% of the time after "You shot down ______", _____ will be able to point out something horribly gamey, dweebey, unfair, etc that you did. You either had energy, or numbers, or a dweeb plane, or you hacked, or you got lucky, 95% of the time.



funny you mention that. i was manning a ground gun defend a vbase the other night......dragon accused me of cheasting since i hit his lancs at 4.5 out.  i hit a fuel tank, and lit it off......when the wing failed, he went bananas on 200 accusing me, telling me i was being recorded, etc......was TOOO funny :rofl

oo...when i get shot down...it's my own fault about 99.999999999999999999999% of the time. :D
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2008, 01:50:04 PM »

 my only point was/is, that in the right hands, the pony CAN beat(i think) 90% of what's in here in an given situation. i only wish i could fly it that well.


Don't you think the other late war rides are better? IMHO, the k4, LA7, D9, 152, spixteen, are all better planes than either pony.
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2008, 02:01:08 PM »
Don't you think the other late war rides are better? IMHO, the k4, LA7, D9, 152, spixteen, are all better planes than either pony.

D9 and 152 aren't really "better" IMHO, esp 1v1. If the Pony's turning weren't so porked, I'd call it about even stevens with the K4, and as-is Mustang still has some things over the Kurt. Spixteen it more or less leaves in the dust when it needs to, if the Pony pilot doesnt' get himself into too bad a corner. La7 is a low-altitude freak true enough, it is probably somewhat, er, "hypermodeled". Still can't touch the Pony in it's natural  hi-alt element, and once again, if the Pony's turning were a little less porked, it could probably give La drivers pause. A Jug with flaps turns well enough to follow an average La driver around and blow him to pieces once you wind up on his six, if a Pony was noticeably better than the Jug, instead of noticeably worse, in that regard, Lalas would  present no insoluble problem for Mustangs.

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2008, 02:05:56 PM »
Don't you think the other late war rides are better? IMHO, the k4, LA7, D9, 152, spixteen, are all better planes than either pony.

No.  The D9 and 152 definately are not.

The K-4 and the La-7 can dominate a P-51.  So can the XVI but only if the Pony doesn't run.
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2008, 02:10:51 PM »
If the Pony's turning weren't so porked,

but it is. We're not talking in  "ifs" .   :)
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2008, 02:11:53 PM »
No.  The D9 and 152 definately are not.

The K-4 and the La-7 can dominate a P-51.  So can the XVI but only if the Pony doesn't run.

In terms of  a 1v1 fight, what does a pony do better than the d9 besides low speed turning?(and that only marginally)
Same with the 152?
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2008, 02:15:57 PM »
SectorNine50,

P-51b  :aok

Of lately the P-51b has been my ride 90% of the time.  There are so many positive attributes with this ride but most importantly suites my current skill set very well.

Note: I was the worst P51 pilot in the world until I set my convergence to 350 or less.

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2008, 02:24:13 PM »
IMO the 190D is a good match for the Pony, and can best it in many cases. Unless the P51 is already at top speed and can zoom higher than the Dora, the Dora can climb better, accelerate better, get snapshot kills easier, can roll/scissor better.

Both have pretty poor low-speed handling, but I think the dora could climb out of that situation into a yo-yo better.

Not a clear dominator, but I think the dora would have the upper hand as long as the pony doesn't run away (in which case dora could still give reasonable chase)

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2008, 02:28:32 PM »
In terms of  a 1v1 fight, what does a pony do better than the d9 besides low speed turning?(and that only marginally)
Same with the 152?

Well, first of all, the 190 D9 isn't really a 375 mph fighter in typical combat configuration. Because of the D9's short legs, a drop tank is almost required, the centerline rack slows the top speed of the D9 down to 369 or so on the deck, 1 measely mph faster than a P-51D, a P-51  will retain energy slightly better than a D9 with a rack. Second, the Pony turns noticeably better, especially since it can pop flaps at much higher speeds than the 190. (True enough, the charts show the 190 D9 having a slightly better turn radius with full flaps than the Pony. This shows you how porked the Pony's turn w/flaps modeling is, but doesn't really help the D9, since full flaps come out at such slow speeds, the Dora is already DEAD before it can pop them.) The Pony also has much better forward visibility and guns that are arguably easier to hit with, although admittedly less deadly. Also, although both planes have radiators, the D9's seems to get popped much easier, almost any hit to the front quarter seems to do it, you can almost guarantee a glide home after dismantling a buff formation in a D9.

The D9's advantages over the Pony are acceleration and climb esp. below 10K or so, roll rate, and hitting power. This thrust advantage goes away at 13K or so though. From there on up, a D9 basically has little/no performance advantage against Ponies, and it just gets worse and worse the higher you get.

Primary thing the D9 has going over the Pony in MA conditions is that if you screw up and end up somewhat low and slow in the typical mixed furball crowd with lots of dedicate t'n'b fighters around, you can get your speed back quicker. But the Pony can egress, re-alt, and re-engage more times than the D9 because of its superior range and better climb on Mil.

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2008, 02:33:01 PM »
Don't you think the other late war rides are better? IMHO, the k4, LA7, D9, 152, spixteen, are all better planes than either pony.

THEY POSSIBLY ARE., i don't get to deal with them much as i fly mw. but the key to what i said was ""in the right hands"".
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