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Offline BnZ

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2008, 10:58:31 PM »
Numbers that guys like Steve put up ARE impressive IMHO. Sometimes I fly realistically, sometimes I fly stupid...but I tell you, even if I consider only the times where I fly "smart", I can't do what they do. Even if I were to fly a Temp 100% of the time, never make a pass on anything at less than 400 mph, and never get bogged down trying to dogfight anything, I don't think I could do it, and I doubt 10% of the people posting on this board could. Let me say this: Yes, anyone can get a kill now and again on a "sleeper" diving in at 500mph and usually extend to survival,  but the kills will be few and far between. Conversely, anyone (even me) can now and again hit an overshoot on an unwary diver and sting their tail feathers as they pass, then post a film of it to show their 'leetness. Not that this is easy to do consistently, but then again, neither is getting a savvy opponent to bite on a rope, or hitting a crossing shot while moving at high speed, etc. Yet for whatever reason, the former has some sort of sim pilot "moral high ground" over the latter.



Thinking of oneself as "leet" and not being impressed by people emulating Hartmann are two different things...

It's your $15, but here's my point of view: If you want to spend your online time in this absolutely consequence-free environment where death means nothing, running around practicing Dicta Boelke and pretending you're Hartmann, that's fine.  Just don't expect much respect or adulation from those who run around pretending they're Marseille.


OT perhaps, but we all DO realize that Hartmann got into some dogfights? And Marseille was not an IDIOT. Cutting your throttle and dropping flaps to nail a turnfighter going around in a Luftberry may have been less conservative than standard German fighter dogma at the time, but its not tantamount to having that same Hurri on your long six with no closure and deciding you are going to try scissor with him "for fun" instead of diving away.


Personally, the people that impress me are the guys that take a plane "worse" than mine, and put up the absolute best fight they can.  Win, lose, or draw, they've got my admiration.

Losing is losing period. I do it a lot myself, and it is neither admirable nor does it build character. My philosophy for AH and life in general is that if I/you lose, it means I/you didn't prepare properly, stupidly put myself/yourself in a bad situation, the Gods of Odds hate just plain hate me/you, or I/you are just naturally inferior. None of these possibilities are good in any way that I can see. Note my use of a bloody awkward combined pronoun to emphasize the fact that I judge myself by this standard, probably more harshly than I judge others.



I guess it's kind of like how a high school dropout turned millionaire will sell more autobiographies than a silver-spoon-fed guy who inherited his riches.  People like the feisty underdog in life, and in this game, it's no different.

YMMV




If someone is telling me how to fly my plane in X conditions, I want to see their graveyards, make sense? If I am to emulate XYZ's method, I want to see lots and lots of carnage and them getting clean away with the dirty deed most of the time. And obviously, it must be something i can expect to practically carry off in relation to my own reflexes, skill at gunnery, and other natural factors. I'm not after a fan club, a "good fight" or a <S> after going down in flames. This doesn't mean I am uninterested in the techniques of disadvantaged fighting, since finding yourself at a disadvantage is the norm in a chaotic multi-bandit enviroment. Its just that disadvantaged fighting is not my religion and killing WITHOUT letting the other $%@%$@% return the favor is where my "bliss" is in this game most of the time.

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2008, 02:26:07 AM »
I prefer the Mustang.

It's a great plane to learn in as it does everything well ..not spectacular in any one area.
It makes you work to get good in.
It teaches you to use it's strengths against the opponents weakness.

If you can do well in the Stang .. you will be a terror in a zeke or spit or Wulf.

Just my 2 copper.
I useda fly the Stang for a month, then switch to another plane for a month, then back to the Stang .. for years.

Where it all came together was in scenarios.
Ya bay-bee .. adrenaline pumpin, hand shakin one-life to live fights ..
.. knowin how far that 109 could push it, and just how much you could get outta yer Stang.

It's the best at teaching you to fly and fight.
As Andy says 'good ol' Mustang' .. amen.

Oh ..and I ignore 200 most of the time, and laugh at the mo-rons.
Sometimes you can't buy entertainment like they provide.
(bein accused of hacking is a rite of passage, etc)
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2008, 02:55:00 AM »
I prefer the Mustang.

It's a great plane to learn in as it does everything well ..not spectacular in any one area.
It makes you work to get good in.
It teaches you to use it's strengths against the opponents weakness.

If you can do well in the Stang .. you will be a terror in a zeke or spit or Wulf.

Just my 2 copper.
I useda fly the Stang for a month, then switch to another plane for a month, then back to the Stang .. for years.

Where it all came together was in scenarios.
Ya bay-bee .. adrenaline pumpin, hand shakin one-life to live fights ..
.. knowin how far that 109 could push it, and just how much you could get outta yer Stang.

It's the best at teaching you to fly and fight.
As Andy says 'good ol' Mustang' .. amen.

Oh ..and I ignore 200 most of the time, and laugh at the mo-rons.
Sometimes you can't buy entertainment like they provide.
(bein accused of hacking is a rite of passage, etc)
(ENABLE:Bulletsponge ON; ENABLE:NoDamage; ENABLE:LaserHits.. oh ..sorry ..did I hit ch200 by mistake? ..my bad)
-yanks chains right out of mo-rons-

-GE aka Frank (hiya Steve ..you goin to the AH Con?)

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2008, 06:26:19 AM »
My 2p worth - dont let em get to ya Steve. Dont know if I've ever met you in the virtual air (cept for 1 time we were on the same side.....and I wanted to vulch ya..... :D) - its a game, and whilst some of the rubbish on 200 gets way too personal at times - ignore it or simply detune.


Oh, and I rarely if ever fly the 51's - I totally suck in them...lol....cant even sneak up on someone n kill em......(yes, I've tried...lol....failed miserably). That said, they are generally an interesting fight if you can stay close enough.

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Offline BaldEagl

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2008, 08:38:36 AM »
P-51D's are easy mode.  I hadn't flown one in months until last camp.  One sortie, 7 kills, landed.  The B's a little trickier to do well in.
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2008, 11:33:56 AM »

Losing is losing period. I do it a lot myself, and it is neither admirable nor does it build character. My philosophy for AH and life in general is that if I/you lose, it means I/you didn't prepare properly, stupidly put myself/yourself in a bad situation, the Gods of Odds hate just plain hate me/you, or I/you are just naturally inferior. None of these possibilities are good in any way that I can see. Note my use of a bloody awkward combined pronoun to emphasize the fact that I judge myself by this standard, probably more harshly than I judge others.


Well, I take this game as a sport...  Just so you understand why I completely disagree with this paragraph.  I guess our philosophy towards this game (and life in general, as you said) are just completely different.
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2008, 12:30:48 PM »
P-51D's are easy mode. 

 :lol

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2008, 12:32:35 PM »
:lol

I see you mostly in a spixteen.        :rofl

I didn't say i'm opposed to easy mode planes.  I just said P-51D's are easy mode.
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2008, 12:36:18 PM »
Well, I take this game as a sport... 


In a sport, one tends to judge progress and ability by statistical measures though.

And in the chaotic multi-bandit MA environment, the sport is NOT just you vrs. an individual like a duel. I'm a good duelist, better duelist than MA player in fact. I often pay when I forget the MA situation is not the DA though. I have realized that playing the "sport" in the MA is more about gunnery, teamwork, and judging the situation than it is individual  on-the-edge maneuvering. Even though these three things are NOT my strengths and the latter is. I don't consider the MA sport it better or worse, just different.

Oh, and by your "The underdog who fights hard against bad odds, win or lose" criterion, Chuck Wepner was the greatest HW boxer of all time.  :D

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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2008, 12:51:30 PM »
In a sport, one tends to judge progress and ability by statistical measures though.

And your "losing is losing" comment basically means you only care about winning (or conversely care too much about losing?), which is basically related to kill/death, a statistical measure found on the score page.


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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2008, 01:09:20 PM »
I didn't say i'm opposed to easy mode planes.  I just said P-51D's are easy mode.
Meh, I don't really agree with that.  Get a 51 low and slow and it take some serious piloting to get that sucker home safe.  Get a Spit XVI low and slow, and all the other planes are in trouble.

It's not like a noob can hop in a 51 and get kills, even BnZing takes some practice.  When I was new I first flew the F6F-5, then someone told me to hop into a XVI, and holy hell I started railing people.  Then I tried out the P-51D because I liked them, and couldn't kill a thing in one.  I'd say it's far from easy mode.
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Re: Pony B Population
« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2008, 01:46:16 PM »
And your "losing is losing" comment basically means you only care about winning (or conversely care too much about losing?), which is basically related to kill/death, a statistical measure found on the score page.



I do realize there are ways to game the stats Krusty. But I like to think most AH players aren't exclusively vulching or killing a 2nd account.
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« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2008, 03:01:54 PM »
I do realize there are ways to game the stats Krusty. But I like to think most AH players aren't exclusively vulching or killing a 2nd account.

I can't speak for Krusty, but I think you completely missed his point.
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« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2008, 03:24:42 PM »
Yep