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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #90 on: October 01, 2008, 11:05:27 AM »
Sounds to me like you want to turn this into a GV vs. flyboy conflict much as the historical furballer/toolshedder rivalry.

No, I still consider myself a fighter pilot first, and gv'r fourth after attack and bomber.  Bnz and I have a lot more time tanking this tour (sept) than most of our critics here, and I've busted plenty of GV's in ground attack aircraft.  I have experience on both sides, others don't.
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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #91 on: October 01, 2008, 12:20:29 PM »

...  I also have a problem understanding why a dedicated Gv'er comes to a flying game.
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What are the alternatives?

If you want a wide-ranging environment for different gameplay in an online environment, I don't know of any other than AH. At least, here, if you wander in as a dedicated GVer, you have the opportunity to expand your horizon and take to the air. 

WW2OL had a good GV aspect, as well as infantry, of course, and their immersion level is probably superior to AH,  but their quotas and mission restrictions were not conducive to knowing that you can enter the game and at least be able to find a fight somewhere.  Not sure if that's changed.. haven't been back in a couple years. Gave up after not being able to amass enough rank to fly anything other than a Hawk 75.. if you could even find one. 






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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #92 on: October 01, 2008, 12:27:32 PM »


Using some more of your logic, since no perked aircraft or vehicle is un-stoppable, why not unperk them all?

Personally, I only think the ME 262, and ME 163 should be perked.


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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #93 on: October 01, 2008, 12:30:50 PM »
Buddies? What buddies?


Squadron mates...


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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #94 on: October 01, 2008, 12:51:52 PM »
Ever notice how the whine seems to continue and the only thing that changes is what they are whining about?

The 20mm wirbel whine got a whole lot of mileage. The thing about perking it. Now the whine has changed to perking the 37mms on the IL2. And before the perk the wirbel whine the "perk the 3 20mm LA-7 option" whine was still strong.

Nevermind that most experienced pilots dont really worry about the LA-7 and/or that we developed coping skills to deal with wirbels. One of which is now the 37mm IL2, which pretty much equalizes the threat of the wirbels and GVs. My belief is the game has never had better balance then it does now.

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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #95 on: October 01, 2008, 01:49:58 PM »
Personally, I only think the ME 262, and ME 163 should be perked.


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Well, cool. I do not agree, but you are consistent, so I can respect that.

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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #96 on: October 01, 2008, 03:03:36 PM »
I believe its harder to kill and damage tanks with 37mms on planes than you think.  You have to be close, within 400.  Secondly, you only get a couple chances on one pass.  Thirdly, especially with the IL2, elevators may be weak so pulling up early is a must.  Augering is very common against GVs and sometimes this goes unrecognized.
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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #97 on: October 01, 2008, 03:21:58 PM »
now.. what does this mean.. from the release notes of the new patch:

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The Il-2's 37mm cannons and gunner now damage correctly.


haven't installed yet... wonder if they mean they now take damage correctly, or......  :noid
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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #98 on: October 01, 2008, 05:07:46 PM »
I dont understand the "perk my noodle" comments.... :uhoh


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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #99 on: October 01, 2008, 06:33:37 PM »
Anyone wounder how many il-2 will be shot down with the fireflys main gun now that it has been fixed?

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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #100 on: October 01, 2008, 06:35:04 PM »
Appreciating there are skilled Gv'ers I find the vast majority of Gv'ers are infact failed or skilless flyer's.  Granted...some may well prefere the whole Gv thing over the air thing but I can assure you they are the minority.  I also have a problem understanding why a dedicated Gv'er comes to a flying game.
           


<S> LYNX     I can assure you sir there are " skilled "  flyer's that like to GV .  I also disagree with you as far as GV'ers being in the minority.  This is a all around game that also has sea battles.  Love this game,  but it is not just a flying game.  Lots of strategy to the game.  The IL-2 is a great plane to stop GV's.......dang it !  
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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #101 on: October 01, 2008, 07:18:19 PM »
           


<S> LYNX     I can assure you sir there are " skilled "  flyer's that like to GV .  I also disagree with you as far as GV'ers being in the minority.  This is a all around game that also has sea battles.  Love this game,  but it is not just a flying game.  Lots of strategy to the game.  The IL-2 is a great plane to stop GV's.......dang it !  

I understand many folk skilled or otherwise like to Gv at times but I didn't say it was a minority. 
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Granted...some may well prefere the whole Gv thing over the air thing but I can assure you they are the minority.
  I was inferring that those that came here specifically to GV are a minority.  Many will mix and match but the vast majority spend more time in planes.....that's why their here.

Once the novelty wears off you'll be welcomed by the usual parade of pissed off GV'ers in Lancstukers  :rolleyes:  Gv sneaks maybe a little risky which will only intensify more use of Wirlies and Ostie's.  T34's can no longer strut their stuff in the face of IL-2s.....yin with the yang  :salute


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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #102 on: October 01, 2008, 08:17:11 PM »
Whoa, we're getting into what SHOULD be now? Okay, let me play. "Unescorted bombers SHOULD be dead meat, every time. Therefore, unperk the 262."

The difference is, no matter how well the bombers are escorted, a 262 will always get through. It should be perked.

What will happen when they add the better armored Stuka? Are you telling me you are going to perk a Stuka too?

How many times have people asked for a perk on the La7, Spit16, Nik, or to make a rolling plane set based on a perk system? It isn't going to happen so you might as well learn new strategies instead of wasting time on the forums complaining about it.

Besides, I remember stopping a GV mission of more than 30 guys with the 23mm Il2, long before the current update. Frankly, with the 23mm you have a higher duration of fire and it can defend itself in the air better as well. You just need to aim for vital areas on the tank, with each tank having it's own 'sweet spot'.

There is a reason aircraft were feared over an armored column, now you get to experience it.
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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #103 on: October 02, 2008, 12:32:03 AM »
OK mate... cards on the table.  This is Aces High and not Aces Low.  I come here to play using WWII aircraft.  I play as a Strat player.  I prefere planes over GV's any time of the day.  Gv'ing for me and my game is part of the set NOT the main part of the set.  I use them when appropriate or just for fun.  For my game Gv's tend to be a hindrance rather than appreciated part of a "flying" game.

Appreciating there are skilled Gv'ers I find the vast majority of Gv'ers are infact failed or skilless flyer's.  Granted...some may well prefere the whole Gv thing over the air thing but I can assure you they are the minority.  I also have a problem understanding why a dedicated Gv'er comes to a flying game.
It is irksome to me to be on a push to look at the map and see one of our towns flashing.  I'll guarantee 8 times out of 10 it's a cheeky newbie trying to have one of our bases away ....all be it part of the game.

For a flying game the IL-2 has it's place.  It's a defence aircraft in my opinion.  One wouldn't use them for base attack although some use them as fighters.  They are fairly limited in their roll in this flying game.  Their ord load has been reduced.  There oil and radiator is as weak as it ever was.  The wirlie & ostie are still a handfull.  Fighters are still a handfull. 

The old T34 was almost impervious to the old IL-2 which in my opinion was a little off.  I see the new IL-2 as a balancer and if it gets some of our skilless, suicider, Lancstuker, gamey idiots to use them instead, then that's a bonus.....right? 

No friend the IL-2 needs as much perking as my noodle does.  Considering that the vast majority of folk are poor shots. Considering that many can't even dive bomb a Bomber hanger with degree of certainty let a loan a moving Gv ....it's a balancer, it's new and it's immediate popularity will settle down.

As for the comment about who cares about dying....Frankly I DO. 

Where do I start?  I don't think many of the full or mostly full time GVers came to this game to GV.  I think many are like me, they came and was drawn into the GV part of the game and ended up liking it better than flying.  In my case I found that I like GVing and I fly for a change of pace.

I have found many of the full time GVers that I play with on a daily basis are skilled flyer's.  Some of them are the best dive bombers I have seen, so to state that most, except for the few, are skillless flyer's I believe is an incorrect statement.  Some may not be as skilled as others in flying due to them spending their time in a GV instead.

I also wonder why you have a problem why anyone comes to the game.  Right now this is the fairest GV game in the business without having to resort to, (I'm going to get in trouble for saying this), cheat codes.  If you know of another dedicated interactive game that is GV based and has the high standards as Aces High, let me know, I'll sign up in a minute.

I love reading the forums where the "old players" "state this is a flight game and it will always remain that way", and then they pull some 5 year old quote from Hitech saying that.  Just in the year and a couple of months that I have been on, HTC has added new vehicles, and I have seen the amount of GVers increase. 

I'm not a business man, but I bet Hitech is, and if he sees where there is a market for GVers, and he can incorporate that into the game with the same high standards as the flight game,  I assure you he will.  This will increase his market share as well as revenues.  That is simply smart business.  I'm sure he wants the best game in the business, and I am also sure he wants to make money.

Lynx I have read many of your posts on the forum and in most cases I agree with you.  My post is not meant to piss you are anyone else off, but I just couldn't agree with some of your feelings.  People are here in this game for many reasons.  Many do not care if they become the most skilled pilot or GVer in the game.  They simply come here to have fun.  Many want to increase their skills, and many could care less as long as they can get off the ground, or get the vehicle moving.  I learned through my half century of living that trying to figure out why people think the way they do is a losing proposition. 

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Re: Perk Il-2 37mm cannons
« Reply #104 on: October 02, 2008, 06:03:55 AM »
Well put Fred  :salute  Just difference of opinion but I confess my knowledge of other tank games is lacking.  If HTC's game is right up there then fair play to them.