Finally, something to whine about!

[Ack-Ack]

Bldeagl, i'm sure you are better than me. I make no claims that i am good at all.  But you kept trying to rope me in this fight.  I would call it timid flying for someone with your skill.

Why is it timid flying if he used his energy advantage to rope you?  Or is it because he forced you to fight his fight and not yours?  Or is calling his roping you timid flying just a way to sooth a battered ego because you fell for the rope and died?


ack-ack

[mechanic]

Let me ask you. Do you suppose if Baldy was flying a 109k or a tempest or something harder to fight in and it was an enemy spit16 that refused to engage him...would we still see this thread? Or would our friend Baldy infact be thankfull that the spit16 did not want to try and ruin his BnZ sortie?

hmmm

[caldera]

Why is it timid flying if he used his energy advantage to rope you?  Or is it because he forced you to fight his fight and not yours?  Or is calling his roping you timid flying just a way to sooth a battered ego because you fell for the rope and died?


ack-ack

Why don't you watch the film before you assume that i died?

[mechanic]

boom headshot
 

[dkff49]

Why don't you watch the film before you assume that i died?

Wow I was just getting ready to post the same thing. 

If it is any indicator there were only an estimated 6 passes in the eleven minutes and fifteen seconds of film. I call that pretty timid flying.

[mechanic]

and now that hypocracy has been validated, we can all group hug and accept that everyone has a 'timid' sortie once in a while. The whole 'fly my way or the highway' routine we all are responsible for is a load of toejam.

[BaldEagl]

Damn.  Now i really want to see that film but I won't get a chance for another 3-4 hours.

[mechanic]

i dont see why not, they dont seem to care that you waste work hours starting dramas on a game forum

[Bronk]

Damn.  Now i really want to see that film but I won't get a chance for another 3-4 hours.

You were doing pretty much what you were whining about.

[Anaxogoras]

For my part, I have a hard enough time as it is killing 16s when I have an e advantage, let alone starting co-e or at a disadvantage.  When I do succeed it's often when my opponent is unskilled.  If I'm in a 109K, my one trump card is speed.  If I'm in a 109G-14, the speed advantage is almost gone, and if I'm in a 109G-6, the 16 can run me down and out turn me.  So forgive those of us who are not acm gods for running from 16s.  Maybe we'll stay and fight once we're good enough to kill a 16 from a co-e start, and once we've mastered that we'll move on to fighting them when they're on our 6.  For now, it's tiring to hear the most skilled pilots crow about how unmanly the rest of us are for running with a 16 on our 6, when their chances of success by fighting are realistic and ours approach zero.  You have to take these things in steps.  Setting up an amazing batfink overshoot for a killing snap shot comes after many other lessons and skills, and we may still be a long ways away from turning-the-tables-on-a-good-16-pilot lesson.  For now, I'm happy to work on killing 16s from a co-e start, without an obvious angles advantage for either side.  I find that to be an exhilarating challenge.  When I'm confident at that, I'll work on the amazing batfink overshoots.

[Steve]

  When I do succeed i  Setting up an amazing batfink overshoot for a killing snap shot comes after many other lessons and skills,

Yup, spixteens are very capable planes. I usually go for overshoot when one has E advantage.  Anecdotally, 16 pilots seem loathe to get off the throttle when they are on my 6 so making them over shoot is not that hard.  Spixteens don't seem to decelerate very well, either.  As opposed to a snap shot, one can often get saddled long enough to get a nice squirt in. Although sometimes I'm the hydrant, not the dog. 

[crockett]

You got to have a huge difference in skill in favour of the 109 to beat the Spit16, for me, i tend to regroup at the tower allways after meeting with the Spit16 in my 109.

Yep I would agree with this.. A spit16 will easily be able to out fly a 109, even if the guy in 109 is a very good stick. He is still at the disadvantage at any fight with a spit16 that is close to co alt, even if the guy in the Spit16 is "average". Why not lose the training wheels and fly something that takes a little skill?

The 109 pilot really has to be a much much better pilot that the spit16 dweeb in a co alt fight, unless he just gets lucky. Besides that there are many other planes that are better for buff hunting. Out of any of the spit's the 16 is the one that gives me the hardest time. Simply put it's one of the  "Uber" planes of AH.

[1pLUs44]

Sounds to me like someone was trying to get their score up, the 'fair' way, if you even wanna call it that.

[mechanic]

  Setting up an amazing batfink overshoot for a killing snap shot comes after many other lessons and skills [snip]

Sincere thanks for the compliment sir, you made me smile wide! Credit where it is due, the move should be named after WldThng. Long ago i saw a film of him in a spitfire below literally 20 red guys and he pulled 'my' move on no less than 7 attacking enemy and killed them in 2 minutes.
 

[Steve]

  About every three months I get around to every plane just to keep in touch with their capabilities but the Spit's always been my preferred ride (Since i started with AW in '96).

This is a really good idea. A couple of nights ago I upped a 38l, F6F, and yak 9u for that reason.  Good thinking, IMHO.