MWA as bad as any other arena now:(

[CAP1]

Warbirds did that and still does it "Kill of Impakt by Kung Fu in a Yak-3".  THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO HERE. There are endless disputes at Warbirds---when a crotchety "top stick" gets shot down (seemingly by skill or not) there follows the obligatory explanation: "H-O", or "Vulch", or "bounced," "gang banged," "rammed". This quickly descends into a chaos of name calling and duel requests. There is NO incentive to RTB---why not rack up 5 kills and if you get killed --so what everyone sees the 5 to 1 ratio.  I recently (within the last year) came to this game from Warbirds and I found the fact that (1) needed to land to get name in lights, (2) needed 2 kills, (3) only your success is reported not someone else's failure----VERY REFRESHING. Trust me the other way is unpleasant----200 here is tame.

the explanation thing still happens here.
i was chatting with an enemy whilst i was otw the fight. i get to the fight, see 2 cons on a friendly. i drop in, and one breaks......2 or 3 turns later, i pop the other one. the guy comes on, saying something like "knew i was gonna get picked". i'm not naming names, because i enjoyed our conversation, and i probably frustrated the guy by doing that. fact is, though, that i wasn't more than 1 or 2 k higher than the fight to begin with, and that i was helping a countryman.
 unless asked to stay our, i will ALWAYS help a country man.....especailly seeing as they help me whenever i ask.

 and for the record, the same happened to me not an hour after that.......i was fighting an a20......saw the zeek commin, but thought i could finish the a20 first. i was wrong, although i DID see some really really important parts come off of it.

[CAP1]

would have been happy to, just do a ".f snaphook" to see if i'm up...

i'm otw philly to work my night job......i'll look for ya if i get home early enough tonight.......

<<S>>

[BnZs]

I actually find myself agreeing with Impakt, scary. Keep it impersonal. After all, most of the time in WWII you wouldn't know which individual pilot you were facing. I wouldn't mind if the text buffer messages were "You have shot down P-51D/P-51D shot you down" etc. If one is really interested in who it is, you can always record and watch the film later.

[moot]

BNZ I think Humble's saying that it's butting in if you upset the established order of a 1:1 when you break the apparent gentlemen's agreement to stay off.

It's a pretty grey area IMO. Separate issue from MW getting as dweeby as LW.

No names would alienate people too much, I think... Maybe have it as a post-flight tally in the tower... On one of those chalkboards maybe? No inflight kill confirmations, maybe keep the landing ch6 message.

[BnZs]

BNZ I think Humble's saying that it's butting in if you upset the established order of a 1:1 when you break the apparent gentlemen's agreement to stay off.

It's a pretty grey area IMO. Separate issue from MW getting as dweeby as LW.

My point was that not committing two planes when one will presumably do the job, and only sending in the second plane if the enemy pilot IS the Red Baron is a sound strategy.

Lots of talk about timidity goes on. I see some of that, but I see at least as much stupid and undisciplined aggression and overcommitment to a particular engagement without sufficient analysis of the whole situation  (A flaw I especially see in myself!). I also think most AH players are if anything too proud to call for a hand until too late (another flaw I see in myself).

It is pretty clear that how the game objectives are set up is what leads to a lot  of dweebyness. We all know most jabo and capture attacks are carried out in lemming fashion, with little expectation of or attempt at survival if opposition is met. I don't have any magic bullets. I think my pet idea of making strategic bombing important to the "war", thus also making the jobs of escorts and interceptors important, would help a little.

[WMLute]

I would agree and think that this is probably the biggest factor. 

The information needed for a new player is not readily available or may seem confusing where to get it, it can take some time just to learn how to get into the BBS and how to use it to even start searching for information. The website could be a little more user freindly and informative.

Might even be a good idea for AH to have newcomers to complete a survey or questionaire after their first billing cycle to get some needed feed back on how and where they could improve.

You know, Customer Service....

click the flashy thingy on the homepage.

it takes you HERE

pretty much all ya' need to know to get started is covered

[Ack-Ack]

where do i find this information about the 38's? i think AKAK said s.a.a.p had something online

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[Shane]

I do not understand. It is okay to gang up on a single if you do so right at the start, but unfair if there is a delay before the ganging begins? 

Otherwise I don't understand the point of hair-splitting about the particular method by which two players gang a single to death.

I'd much rather deal with a winged pair (or even 3) from the outset than the randomness of a  1 v 1 becoming 1 v 2+

But... it's the main arena <shrug>.

[WWhiskey]

where do i find this information about the 38's? i think AKAK said s.a.a.p had something on line

no insult intended !!!
 i would like to see you in a 38!!!
 that would be very refreshing
 maybe then you would understand why they travel together more than alone,
 not because they have too but because they like too,
 i myself am not all that good in them, but i love too fly them!
 it is very rewarding too get kills in them!

now on a diff. subject:
 i like flying with my squadmates , not because i have to but because i like too!
your group brings different planes to every fight, you will be in a hurri!!
 your mates are almost always  a p-51,a Zeke,and spit!
i like to fight any one of your group, just not all at the same time in those planes, by myself!
this is also very gammy( those planes never flew together as a squad in real life 
 try all upping the same plane and fly like they did in the war, it is a game based on WW2!
 a single type of planes cannot compete against that type of group, 38's or any other type of aggressor plane will most likely not be able too defend itself against all those different planes at once, unless they stay high and pick at them.
 so the answer is close the base, or overwhelming force! or alt. and pick
 i guess if the makers of this game did not want us to capture bases and win the war, they would not have made it possible, there would just be a bunch of D.A. arenas with 1v1 or 2v2 fights and the big lake for the furball. 

 you have lost me here,  i don't understand if you want 1v1 dogfights, or reality based mid war battles,
 the only thing i have figured out for sure is that you don,t like me or my freinds   LOL
 but i do get that it could just be that you don't like the way we play!
  where did they post those rules that said no base captures? no winning the war? no squads that work toghether?
when you find the answer tell the bish that fly all night doing the same thing only against no defenders!
 i had a great time the other morning about 4 texas time  12 bish no rooks just me and a buddy, i racked up almost 100 perk points just killing the bish stoping them from takeing some bases.they just kept coming back, feeding the machine, and griping  because i was killing them 
 they kept typing get in a plane and fight try that 
 i guess they didn't know anything else. and not once did i complain about the "horde" other than to make a little fun at them and comment on who was on that roster

 yet pilots that are loners, and are good at it don't seem to mind that we travel toghether, and they don't mind the many targets we represent either, as they pick there way thru our bombers or fighters and kill our m-3's and or goons, yet i never complain about them, i just go on about my mission, sometimes from the tower,,,"NKL5"  <<S>> atleast with him i know that it will just be him and his stupid song,  and when i kill him he probably won't be gripping about it on 200, or in here!
please make no mistake i am not complaining about your group either, just the 200 whine fest that comes along at some point in most of the fights! i think 200 is a bad idea, but then again  i can turn it off. what i have not figured out is how to turn off all channel, it needs to be gone, like it is in LW so the whine fest can be muted


 another thing that i must have missed is were these rule of engagement are written, and are they based on standing orders from WW2 command, or just some idea of chivalry that died during WW1, for those types of fights there are other arena's(D.A.)
i would venture to say that no allied pilot in WW2 was authorized to engage enemy's 1v1 when there were others to help, the loss of even a single pilot or plane to this kind of foolishness would not have been tolerated, and any flight commander who allowed it would not have been a commander much longer!
 so from what i gather, the people that are complaining, don't really want reality gaming, based on actual WW2 operations, they want the dogfights of WW1, but then again i don't think all that many of those were really all that glamorous, and i doubt that the WW1  aces really let too many kills go, because there guns jammed, or they were low on fuel, and most of them died to the horde, because they thought they were better than all the rest and flew off into very bad odds alone,or tried to show off in a 1v1 when they didn't have too!! imagine if they had stayed with there squads, and lived to be old men, WW2 might have turned out differently all together. of course it might have never happened at all

P.S. by the time i finished this i started to erase it, thinking it was me doing the whining, but i put to much effort into it  to do so!
 also this is not directed just at lazydog, i really used to like to fly with him, but he seems to not feel the same way. my loss, but i will play the way i feel the game is meant to be played, and try to enjoy it as much as possible, and when i no longer enjoy it, i will go play something else!

                                   WWhiskey, out

[Dadsguns]

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click the flashy thingy on the homepage.

it takes you HERE

pretty much all ya' need to know to get started is covered

Click, insert CC info, Search Begins.

[TequilaChaser]

Click, insert CC info, Search Begins.

did you not see the following when you clicked it? :

All you need to get started is download the game, create your account (it is free), and you are ready to go! Following the menu at the left will give you all the details you need, and you can always visit our extensive help documentation.

the bold underlined text are all links........

WWhiskey , I did not know we was fighting in WWII

I thought Aces High was a premier place for "simulating" WWII COMBAT EXPERIENCE:

• Air Combat
• Land Combat
• Sea Combat
• with its foundation always from the begining, based on Aerial Combat

not win the flag.......however the AHTC helps people in whatever area they want to learn, but the empasis has always been placed on proper BFM/ACM tactics.....

[lazydog]

well there whiskey now that you made that sound so warm and cozy.when i was a knit there was plenty times when there was a cv at a base and there was a good fight going on you guys had to sink it.when we asked not to. same thing when our sqaud was flying to a field trying to find a fight you guys came in and attacked the field drop all the hangers then all that was lefted was to shoot the damn buildings sorry not into that then i watched not just single players but whole sqauds either leave MIDWAR or switch to the knights leaving not much left to do but attack fields.so we posted in our forum at the end of that tour we we're switching from the knights. well as you know we lost a lot of guys because of this thats fine they want to play that way thats there deal . and when i switched i caught first hand why the other countrys were complaining about the way the knights would come in at times 15 to 20 strong against a couple defenders damn ive seen more c47s then there was defenders at a couple fields that to me isnt fair play then there were high alt fighters to pick any uppers till the 5 or 6 sets of lanc's drop every hanger on the base and now tell me why you would think that anyone would be happy or have fun with odds like that.

[humble]

No question its a gray area and my opinion is just that...mine. Doesn't make it right or wrong...just 1 persons opinion. What I do see is a degradation of the games fundamentals that IMO is irreversible. Basically the game has been dumbed down in every aspect to minimize the level of skill required for "success" in order to maintain a player base. The result is that the vast majority of "old school" players have moved on. At the current rate within a few years we'll all be gone.

To me this is typical of "game play" in its current state...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film77.ahf

10 years ago I'd say 90% of the people who play the game had my utmost respect...today I'd say that I have little overall respect for a majority of the player base...

edited to be a bit more PC

[BnZs]

at times 15 to 20 strong against a couple defenders damn ive seen more c47s then there was defenders at a couple fields that to me isnt fair play........till the 5 or 6 sets of lanc's drop every hanger on the base and now tell me why you would think that anyone would be happy or have fun with odds like that.

Speaking of which, some other changes the vast majority of AH players apparently reject are:

1. Any measure whatsoever to make it easier to intercept heavy bombers and harder to for them to toolshed a base to death. Such as perking formations, making defensive fire less effective by unlinking guns, adding mannable flak 88s to bases, or making it nessecary for level bombers to climb to at least 10K before they can drop their bombs.

 2. Any measure whatsoever to make incessant NOE horde missions less effective, namely, letting DAR coverage go all the way to the ground.

It is that way with any numbers of things. Many players dislike the types of gameplay certain conditions of the MA game lead to, yet (If posts on this board are representative) are unwilling to change the game any in order to change the play.

[BnZs]

To me this is typical of "game play" in its current state...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film77.ahf

You flew very well Snap, landed some shots on the Spit. The fact that you got into an unfortunate situation, got shot by a plane you didn't see coming (maybe???)...so what? It doesn't invalidate the good flying you did before or your generally great skill as a pilot. Are you THAT frustrated that you didn't get to apply the coup de gras to the Spixteen? Come on man, you are flying a freakin' SBD around as a fighter in the LW MA to show off what a hot stick you are. (Note: There is nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.) And shooting down planes in it frequently enough. So what is the big horrible bug in your soup when it comes to the game?

I truly doubt most people who buy a subscription to something called "Aces High" are completely uninterested in "the art of dogfighting." Maybe they are bad at it...maybe it is counter-intuitive to most, maybe most lack the talent to ever be as good as the best sticks in this game. Myself, I have about a dozen ACM "self-help" sites in the bookmarks, over a hundred films, most of them downloaded from the H&T forum, my copy of Shaw is already very worn from reading, and I probably spend about 2 hours flying some kind of practice for every hour spent flying in the arenas...not the action of a man disinterested in ACM. But I am interested in applying what I learn *effectively* in the right context in the MA. And despite all of this, I am still very often dissatisfied with my own performance. When a sortie goes badly, I try to analyze what was wrong with my approach, rather than what is wrong with the game or how other people play it.