Norwegin Aces

[Nilsen]

I again suggest you read up on your history Hangtime. Plenty of reading out on the internet if you bother to search for it reather than revise history to fit your own view.

[FLOTSOM]

well you must understand that we Americans (US citizens that is) are very big on self righteousness, egotism and we are the world police. when we do not like anybody elses reality so we will simply substitute our own.

but heaven forbid and hell be damned should anyone point out any of our short comings or flaws and especially may they be damned if they dare to mention any of our failures.

we are an arrogant and obnoxious nation.

but i love us just the same 

by the way just as a foot note, the Alamo had nothing to do with the US, they were Texans and Mexicans, not US citizens.

some of the major players involved at the Alamo were the US residents who moved to Texas and became Mexican citizens. then they staged a revolt and attempted to win the freedom of Texas a an independent sovereign nation.

the fact that brown men dared to raise a hand against white men and then dared to actually kill these white men for putting up a fight was the act that mobilized the united states to send help. but that help was slow and in reality not of much substance. the most help the Texans received from America were the volunteers that went to fight with the Texas army on their own and without the approval or sanction of the U.S. government.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/texas/flags-republic-texas.htm if your interested check this site and those listed therein.

but keep in mind that Texas did not become apart of the US until a few years later.

Im not berating or belittling you Angus, but if you stick your finger into wounds that are still sore in the hearts of some then you need to be sure that you can support your statements with facts.

once again, good luck

FLOTSOM

[airguard]

history is always written by winners thats a fact.
nevertheless I dont think any norwegian ever had a swung word about ww2, we would be better off without it. heros or not. in war there is no heros, just a few lucky guys that survives. the exiled dane king was our first after years with other countries constitution to live after, we got our own elected and wanted him as our king that time.
If he woulda stayed the germans for sure woulda used him as a hostige for the rest of the norwegian people. no fuking sigar for the norwegian people under the war or until the late 60's.
blah blah blah...

Angus..

we're talking about norway's surrender, it's occupation, it's descendants claims of greatness in the war, the facts of it's minimal participation and it's real losses and real determination and resistance to the 'boot' as compared to other countries that suffered a similar fate.

In other words.. their version is revisionist history. Reality is, they put up some resistance, surrendered, had an exiled dane as king, and were granted their country back by the victorious allies at the end of the war.

The Norwegian position as swung from 'we never surrendered' and 'we were vikings once, and feared by all' to 'well, we had a big merchant marine and 13 fighter pilots.."

LOL!

Was fun, but no cigar for you revisionists.. facts reveal the true story, comparatively; Norway suffered far less than others under Hitlers boot.. and many others paid far more dearly for final victory than Norway did. Nonetheless, they reaped great rewards, compared to the price paid by the Poles, French, Finns, and Czech's.. Norway has nothing much to brag about.

..and somehow, they feel deprived by that.

[Hangtime]

I again suggest you read up on your history Hangtime. Plenty of reading out on the internet if you bother to search for it reather than revise history to fit your own view.

Ah, but Nils, I have.. I didn't pull this information out of my backside, my viking friend. I'm still waiting for links to data that indicate that Norway was not invaded, defeated, occupied. I have posted links to accurate information regarding losses, and compared them to the losses to other nations, both scandanavian and european that suffered the same fate.

The data does not lie.. I did note your attempt to compare loss ratios of your population compared to ours, which I answered.. we were not invaded; you were, and if we had been invaded I daresay our loss ratios would look more like Frances, Finlands or Polands.. and a lot less like yours... the only conjecture I've posted in relation to the issue under discussion.

I have not bragged, claimed for my nation false accolades or attempted to skew the facts or the numbers... and have, for those reasoned efforts, been roundly condemned, vilified, insulted and abused for speaking nothing but the truth.

But that's ok. I'm not laboring under false pretenses or hiding behind insults or internet tuff guy BS. Just having a reasonable discussion with some european fanboi's and revisionists with some Viking ancestry to brag about.

Baseless bragging, I might add.

[airguard]

ahh understand now we lost to few in your little mind, what about the russians they for sure gave alot....

[Rich46yo]

The view was that it would be more succesful to attack the Americans than the ENGLISH, since the English were doggedly stubborn once dug in. Two things on top of that, - Hitler had that opinion, and the geographical condition also favoured it.
Bear in mind that Hitler said that a democratical nation could not muster a tough army. (close enough)

Hitler was an ego maniacal, delusional, racist, moron. He thought the eastern subhumans would fold due to a lack of a high enough forehead.

That and he had chased the bloody English across France to Dunkirk. Read your history. The Germans had specific targets for the Ardennes offensive and strategic objectives. That and they had pulled it off once before in '40. Its no secret American forces in the region were very undermanned because Allied Intel had figured the Germans didn't have the resources needed for such an offensive operation anymore.

Their goal was to split their enemy in half, take Antwerp "most of all the port", capture vital fuel depots, and then encircle and destroy the allied armys. Unfortunatly for them they had to go thru a  lightly armed US Airborne division at the vital crossroads town of Bastogne. The rest is history.

[Hangtime]

ahh understand now we lost to few in your little mind, what about the russians they for sure gave alot....

We're not talking about Russians here, Airguard. We're talking about Norway and revisionist history as presented by the Norwegian fanboi's.

Start another thread about how much europe and the allies owe to the 20 million russian dead from WWII.

[airguard]

ok whos to many then ?

[Hangtime]

I don't understand your question, Airguard.

If it's 'how many must die', are you asking how much history you need to change to be worthy of the same honor and respect the Finns enjoy for their furious and effective defense of their homeland?

LOL!

You can't change history, Airguard. Whats past is past.. and honor, respect and accolades for the sacrifices of those that went before us are what they are... or are not.

And that's the point.. the facts of history stand in mute testimony to the courage and national determination of those nations involved.

[airguard]

well i do understand pasta, respect and chockolade determination will kill us all.
on the other side the nations involved will reject it... 

[Rich46yo]

The Finns allied with the Nazis. Did you forget that little tidbit of history? And before that they made a separate peace with the Soviets ceding 10% of their territory and 20% of their Industrial capacity.

Don't they teach history in those one room school houses Hangtime? The ones with 9 hound dogs sleeping under the porch?

[Bronk]

The King of Norway left for Britain together with the Norwegian gold stock

I equate it like this.
King is the captain of a ship. Captain suppose to go down with the ship.

Gentleman... do not go on Norwegian Cruise line. If the ship starts sinking. The captain will grab the ship's safe and leave the passengers to fend for themselves.  

[DiabloTX]

That is an excellent analogy there Bronk, let that be a lesson for all!

[Hangtime]

The Finns allied with the Nazis. Did you forget that little tidbit of history? And before that they made a separate peace with the Soviets ceding 10% of their territory and 20% of their Industrial capacity.

Don't they teach history in those one room school houses Hangtime? The ones with 9 hound dogs sleeping under the porch?

The Finns were invaded by the Russians... and resisted fiercely. They were forced to cede territory.. but never suffered occupation, never capitulated and did in fact declare war on Germany. Finlands interest in the war was Finland.. and it defended itself and it's sovereignty effectively.

The Republic of Finland was attacked by the USSR on 30 November 1939.[8] Later Finland and the Kingdom of Denmark officially joined the Axis Anti-Comintern Pact. The Kingdom of Sweden remained officially neutral. Following the Moscow armistice of September 1944, Finland effectively joined the Allies and expelled German forces. This led to a series of armed clashes called the Lapland War.


Also, see 'Winter War'. Learn. Be amazed. And what's with the childish petulant insults, Rich? That all you got?

[CAVPFCDD]

ok hangtime we aren't arguing that they didn't surrender, everyone was making comments that norway rolled over and died at the first sign of trouble, which they didn't they fought the longest before surrendering of any of the german occupied countries, so we are arguing the fact that it is false to say norway just surrendered immediatly.

2nd of all the king and the gold leaving the country as i said before was a small victory so the country could go on after the war and so the NAZIS wouldn't get the gold to fuel their war