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[1Boner]

Skills

You guys take this stuff WAY too serious.

[Serenity]

Quick question to the members of these mega squads:  Why oh why do you need that many people?  Is it your lack of skill?  Did other kids pick on you in school and you didn't have many friends?  Is anyone taking thier time to teach you while in said mega squad? 

Ooh, this is where I jump in.

Why do we have that many people? Perhaps unlike you, we actually develop friendships. 71 RAF is one of those units mentioned, but I don't think we've ever fielded more than 10 people at any given time. I came to 71 RAF because Overlag, a guy I've been flying with for at least a year, was recruited by them, and when my squad was disbanded, I figured flying is more fun with friends. So before you go making blanket statements, please, think. You will NEVER see 71 RAF hording. You will NEVER see 71 RAF gangbanging the crap out of a base. And there are times when you WILL see different elements of 71 RAF flying against each other, for FUN. Because THAT is why we have such a large unit. We're here to have fun, and we have fun flying together.

[E25280]

The Trainers Corp and our friends in the DFC are dedicated to producing top tier pilots, consisting of anyone who desires to be a solid pilot and improve game play.

Serious question:  As a member of the training corps, how much time do you spend training on:

Improving bombing accuracy
Defensive gunnery from bombers
How the Strat system works
How to pork an airfield
Object identification
Deacking
Relative strengths/weaknesses of ground vehicles
Ground vehicle combat tactics
Gunning from an Ostwind/Wirbelwind/M-16/field guns vs. aircraft
Ranging from ships guns / shore batteries
Proper divebombing technique
Proper escort technique
Breaking a cap
How to capture a base


If I were a new guy who went to the TA to learn how to do these things better, would I be taught, or kicked to the curb?  Because it sure sounds like all you are willing to do is teach people to DA in a 1 v 1 situation, which seems rather limited and limiting given the scope of gameplay available.  A little clarification, if you would be so kind.

[Banshee7]

Falcnwng....i like ya...but Widewing's got ya there.  He's a trainer and a great stick...he's helped a many of players out

[Murdr]

Serious question:  As a member of the training corps, how much time do you spend training on:

Improving bombing accuracy
Defensive gunnery from bombers
How the Strat system works
How to pork an airfield
Object identification
Deacking
Relative strengths/weaknesses of ground vehicles
Ground vehicle combat tactics
Gunning from an Ostwind/Wirbelwind/M-16/field guns vs. aircraft
Ranging from ships guns / shore batteries
Proper divebombing technique
Proper escort technique
Breaking a cap
How to capture a base


If I were a new guy who went to the TA to learn how to do these things better, would I be taught, or kicked to the curb?  Because it sure sounds like all you are willing to do is teach people to DA in a 1 v 1 situation, which seems rather limited and limiting given the scope of gameplay available.  A little clarification, if you would be so kind.

Every item and more is covered if individually asked for.  Most of those items can be fully covered in a short amount of time.  BFM or general flight help is what is actually requested more the 95% of the time.  It takes more than a 1/2 hour lesson to teach air combat competence.  Actually more often than not, the person that asked for help is the one who cuts the session short when they reach the point of information overload.  And that is just trying to cover merging and a few basic maneuvers along with the charateristics and uses. 

And when we are not doing that, we are gathering all sorts of information on game mechanics and data, so that we are working with and deseminating current information.  And also touch base with HTC on occation when we find something that might be in error.  And when we're not doing that, we're answering questions and giving information out on the bbs, or ahwiki, or netaces.  And after that, we may have time to log a few hours in an MA during a tour so some jerk-off who thinks they're cod's gift to AH, can claim they've help more people than one of us ever will.

[Murdr]

You are again spewing nonsense...I have never heard of the DFC...I have honestly never heard of you....

I have kept more guys active in this game then you have ever done and to boot my guys have fun.

That just goes to show how myopic and foolish your view on the scope of AH really is (reasoning in prior post).  The only nonsense I see being spewed is coming from you.

The guys who choose to fly solo and whine are the ones imho who are making this game like "quake".  They want to put in no time or build relationships but want instant fun their way...Maybe Quake or Doom is a better game for you...

So I guess DFC is another SAPP sort of thing which has more then 32 members but I guess they don't believe they are gaming the game because they dont register as a squad...

Well, which way is it?  You can't have it both ways.  You can't stereotype that lone wolfs are a bunch of anti-social pukes, and then scoff when you are yet again shown to be completely clueless when the fact is brought up that your alledged "quake" players actually are social enough to have a club.  But I'll answer your question anyways.  We are friends with common interests, who are just as likely to be mixing it up against each other as anyone else in the MA.  Grouping up en-mass in the MA would be the antithesis of the clubs ideals.

Not to mention you are the only person to talk about "gaming the game" in this thread, and the only person jumping the thread calling other posters "idiots".  Quite frankly I am regretting sending a PM quite awhile back urging you to edit your personal attacks out of a post before you would get banned.  Because quite frankly from the crap I see coming out of your keyboard, that result doesn't sound like too bad of an idea to me at this point.

I don't know what is so difficult to understand about this thread topic in general.


"Dear HiTech,

My quart has 128 ounces in it.  Your game mechanics is inconvencing my quart because it only allows for 32 ounces in a quart.  So what I'd really like you to do is change the game to fit my definition of a quart, and just ignore that my definition of a quart is no where near the standard accepted definition."

This is just as ridiculous.  A squadron is 12-24 planes.  HiTech allows for 32.  I think that addresses the fact that AH is a hobby and not a military organization, therefore having a cap higher than 24 should allow for mustering a squad level force once in awhile.

[Widewing]

Serious question:  As a member of the training corps, how much time do you spend training on:

Improving bombing accuracy
Defensive gunnery from bombers
How the Strat system works
How to pork an airfield
Object identification
Deacking
Relative strengths/weaknesses of ground vehicles
Ground vehicle combat tactics
Gunning from an Ostwind/Wirbelwind/M-16/field guns vs. aircraft
Ranging from ships guns / shore batteries
Proper divebombing technique
Proper escort technique
Breaking a cap
How to capture a base


If I were a new guy who went to the TA to learn how to do these things better, would I be taught, or kicked to the curb?  Because it sure sounds like all you are willing to do is teach people to DA in a 1 v 1 situation, which seems rather limited and limiting given the scope of gameplay available.  A little clarification, if you would be so kind.

First, Aces High is first and foremost, a flying game. The Trainer Corps places its emphasis on that.

Nonetheless, trainers have on many occasions been asked to demonstrate basic vehicle operation and gunnery. They do so.

We hold wingman clinics, 3v1 clinics, divebombing clinics, and the like. Rolex holds clinics for those interested in flying bombers as well as his Basic ACM course. We hold CV ops clinics, we teach formation structure and integrity. Fuzeman has written the definitive piece on using 8" guns against ship and shore targets. Check out our website from the link on the Aces High home page. We teach Situational Awareness. We stress individual skills. Individual skills are what makes up the sum of unit of people. As I write this, there is a structured Training Academy under development.

I prefer to teach the Boyd OODA Loop. Observe, Orient, Decide and Act. This simple principle is applicable to anything you may do in AH2, fighters, bombers or vehicles.
Observation: Collection of data by means of the senses.
Orientation: Analysis and synthesis of data to form one's current mental perspective.
Decision: Determination of a course of action based on one's current mental perspective.
Action: Actual playing-out of decisions.

Everyone has an OODA Loop whether or not they realize it. The one who complete his Loop first, usually wins, as the other guy is still reacting to the changing circumstances The goal is to get "inside" the other guy's Loop. This forces them to react rather than to act. This applies not only to fighters (for whom Boyd developed the methodology), but to tanks and bombers as well. Do a Google search on Col. John Boyd.

If asked, we will answer questions about the items you mention that I have not addressed in this post. However, GVs are something we do not stress, nor will they be part of the Training Academy. Again, this is primarily a flying game. GVs are ancillary to that.

If someone contacts the Trainer Corps, or asks a trainer for help with any aspect of the game, they will get help. No one is turned away because of topic.

Does that cover everything?


My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

I HAVE dueled plenty in the DA in the past and if you wish to go there shoot me a PM next time you are on...I'll pick the plane since you are superior skills by your assessment.  You assume alot about our skill level and gameplay and yet you seem to play very little in the MA according to your last few tours..though you seem to kill mainly gvs for a "furballer".

I've been playing for about 9 years...DFC by-laws don't allow us to discuss the Roster or club business. But, if I could post it, you'd soil your Levis. Just check out the avatars and sigfiles... Most members make mention in that manner.

As to dueling... Stop by the TA some evening. We can go to a remote field and you can give it your best shot. I prefer the TA as damage is turned off and I hate waiting for the other guy to re-plane and fly back. You get whacked, we separate 4k to 6k and remerge. Big time saver and it allows for chatting. It's more personal, you get to know each other. I'll be leading a 3v1 clinic later in February. I'll post the date and time on the training forum. Stop by for that one and bring squadies. It's an eye-opener and a great SA exercise. As to my skill level, I'll leave that to those who have dueled with me to define.


My regards,

Widewing

[Saurdaukar]

Widewing?  Widewing who?

Trainer Corps?  Whats that?

Aces High?  NEVER heard of it.

Pfft!  Stupid Quakers with your oatmeal!  ACM is STOOOOPID.







Falcon, ignoring the fact that WW contributes more to this community than you take from it (which is saying a lot), I'll pay for a month of your sub if you can best him in the DA.

[Slash27]

You are again spewing nonsense...I have never heard of the DFC...I have honestly never heard of you....

(self aggrandizing filler removed due to time constraints)

Maybe you could name some members of this DFC...my guys are out in the open for anyone to see. Then i might be able to see who the "competition" really is.

Why don't you just man up and drop the act already?

[ROC]

What's really great about this game is that so many different people can do so many different things.

Check it out, if you want a big "mega squad" you can form one.  If you like Solo, you can do that as well.  How about 9 person squads, great, have at it.

What many of you fail to grasp is you are arguing over opinions.  There is not one fact to substantiate Mega Squads cause quake style play, or the reverse.  There are instances where you might see it, not like it, but that does not make it a fact, it makes it your opinion, and that is worth exactly nothing to anyone but yourself.  Thanks for sharing, move on.

Get over yourselves and quit playing nanny and demanding others play the way you want them too.  Wish list, you made a wish, what are you all arguing over?

I cannot believe this world as devolved into a population that insists it is someone elses job to create artificial limits so their definition of fair is met.  

Many times people confuse "I can't do it" with "it can't be done".  Same goes for not knowing about something.  Doesn't make it less real, or  might explain alot if you don't know about something.  Heck, even I know about the DFC and I don't even have a worthwhile Rank!

[humble]

I happen to be a member of a "Megasquad", SAPP and DFC, I'm also a former trainer here so I think I can comment on all aspects of this "argument".

1) speaking for 71 Squadron, while we have numbers we aren't a "horde". We rarely fly in large groups but even then we act with a measure of respect and consideration for good game play. While we have a high % of members who would be considered excellent sticks we value integrity and "good citizenship" above all else. More then one "good stick" has been shown the door for failing to measure up...as a result 71 squadron is one of the more universally respected squads in the game.

2) I'm relatively new to SAPP (and the twin eggbeater) but it is a "club" clearly anchored by both a love of the 38 and a standard of conduct. Like 71 Squadron you don't have to be "good" but you do have to be quality citizen of the game.

3) I've been a member of DFC for awhile now. It's not my place to be a spokesperson for the group but I'll make the following comments. By and large most of the members are accomplished "dogfighters", however not all are. What "we" have is a sense of the history of the game and a strong value for fair play. A DFC member is someone who values the fight more then the result, while we're all very competitive none of us will put winning above all else. By taking the measure of another we take measure of our selfs as well, DFC members realize that and act accordingly.

[humble]

Typical "Quake" player mentality....lets line up 32 and shoot at each other til one is left..moronic.  Hey goober...guess what...been there..done that...doesn't really work....noone ever fields even 10 guys and the arguments afterwards are nuts...

Also who are you???? If youare some sort of skill dude i have never run into you online unless you have some shade you fly under.  There is no squad called DFC (sweetheart Flaming Club maybe???)

So try this...form a squad and THEN enter into a discussion involving guys who actually play the game as it is designed and not 1/16th of it and claim that makes them uber.   Some of us "grew up" a decade ago and realized that ACM is a gamey concept at best and that what was best about this game was the comradery and fun to be had...

Good grief at least be in a squad before you decide to issue a squad challenge...what a tool...

It seems like the training corp should be called the whining corp lately...no wonder noone wants any part of the TA if tools like this are what are awaiting them.

Now one....more...time...really.. .slowly...for the training impaired...this discussion was about why not have the equivalent of a "friends" list to help folks find people they want to fly with.....

LOL,

I always get a kick out of noodles like you calling guys like WW a tool.

[Anodizer]

Typical "Quake" player mentality....lets line up 32 and shoot at each other til one is left..moronic.  Hey goober...guess what...been there..done that...doesn't really work....noone ever fields even 10 guys and the arguments afterwards are nuts...

Also who are you???? If youare some sort of skill dude i have never run into you online unless you have some shade you fly under.  There is no squad called DFC (sweetheart Flaming Club maybe???)

So try this...form a squad and THEN enter into a discussion involving guys who actually play the game as it is designed and not 1/16th of it and claim that makes them uber.   Some of us "grew up" a decade ago and realized that ACM is a gamey concept at best and that what was best about this game was the comradery and fun to be had...

Good grief at least be in a squad before you decide to issue a squad challenge...what a tool...

It seems like the training corp should be called the whining corp lately...no wonder noone wants any part of the TA if tools like this are what are awaiting them.

Now one....more...time...really.. .slowly...for the training impaired...this discussion was about why not have the equivalent of a "friends" list to help folks find people they want to fly with.....

You realize you look like (and most likely are) a complete fool..
Don't know who widewing is...Have no clue what DFC is(obviously too inept to think about looking at your avatar, WideWing).
You should do your homework before tearing into people like this....  Only makes you look like a fool...
I think everyone has pretty much come to that conclusion anyhow..

[Tec]

Skills

So everyone should just suck, we should be happy to wallow in mediocrity?