Not seeing the forest for the trees

[Getback]

seems like this thread blew up in the poster face.

I don't see that.

[Lusche]

I don't see that.

Because of all that trees? 

[The Fugitive]

Because of all that trees? 

 

[NoBaddy]

Because of all that trees? 

OUCHY! Big hit.

[NoBaddy]

The punishment for this type of game play is boredom.  It's not sustainable.

Exactly. Unfortunately, the poor noobs are too myopic to see that (hearkening back to the forest/trees analogy).



Rich46yo...

Do you realize that you totally contradicted yourself in your last post??? Of course you don't care about how other people play. As long as it isn't in a way that YOU consider gamey. 

[BaldEagl]

What has real impact on the game is teamwork and friends. They keep people coming back.

Working together for a common goal is a great thing.

On a personal level I've always admired people like Dredger, Ghi, Joker, and Drone (back in the day). Who figured out long before the rest of us that this game has more to offer than just a few kills. It doesn't surprise me that some of these folks move on to the FSO where they do what they enjoy the most on a massive scale.

Ahh, let me take these three lines one at a time.

The first line is paritally correct but your friends don't have to be in your squad or even fly for your country.  In fact your friends don't even need to be someone you've heard of before.  I've got friends on "the other side" just as I do on the Bish side and have met new friends in discussions after our fights.  Regardless of that, they are not what keeps me coming back.  What keeps me coming back is hoping for that one white knuckled, sweaty palmed fight with an equally skilled opponent which are, unfortunately, becoming fewer and further between as the "teamwork" mentality has overcome the MAs.

As to the second line, yes it is at times but if that goal doesn't involve a fight then it's largly a waste of time IMO.  Not that I've never snuck a base or that I won't do it again but given the choice I'd rather be improving my ACM or putting a plane I'm less familiar with through it's paces.

Now line three; long before who exactly?  Back in '96 I was CO of a sixty person squad in AW.  We worked together as a team.  We had a bomber wing and two fighter wings plus a command wing.  We'd simultaneously shut down the Spit factory, all the strats, our target field and those immediately around it.  We didn't fly NOE.  We just went for it.  As CO I was getting comms from remote flights scattered all across the map assesing the situation and coordinating timing.  That was fun at the time.  None of todays squads fly missions like that with mutiple objectives.  Smash and grab hoard play is the order of the day.  Sad really.

So, since I know you, you probably know I'm a loner.  I've been there done that as far as squad play and teamwork.  I prefer to fly alone, beholding to no one.  I don't want to be obligated to do this or that or fly here or there or clear this guy or that guy.  This is a game I play to relax and have fun and when I log on I'll do that however I please.  Sure it's fun to wing up with someone now and then or assist in a base take, etc. but again, I don't have any desire to feel obligated to do that, thank you very much.

So, play however you want to but you may want to reasses who's not seeing the forest for the trees.

[Coogan]

  Getback, you so ka-razy 

[Getback]

I'm sure it's close.

Win the war was last and acm is a continuous process. I never got bored. If I ever told you some of the things I have done you would gasp. I learned alot about acms in just the last 3 to 4 camps and I've been playing for 12+ years. If you're getting bored then you are not enjoying all aspects of the game. However, in line with what you like to do. I saw Rob land kills in a p51, 109, p38, and a couple of other different planes all in the same night. I said Rob, you fly them all don't you. He said yeah I would get bored if I flew the same plane all the time. I thought that was pretty cool.

Here was the reason for my post. I flew with the Rooks for the last couple of days as Ntrpd. Heck I even posted a saved mission and it said the mission planner was Getback.   So much for being incognito. I just wanted to see what it was like to fly Rooks. I didn't see any missions launched. I would see small groups trying to take a base but it is really hard with just 4 or 5 guys. Heck all you need is just one plane to up and take care of that. Never saw much in the way of team work. On the plus side I did see the rooks respond to defense really fast and effective. Wasn't like that when I was a rook before. You actually give check 6s   On the subject of missions I did see where rooks took 199 as I was logging. Another kind of peculiar thing happened too. When I suggested a mission one Rook Pm'd me to join him in a small mission to help take 131. I don't know why but it seemed that the word mission is a bad word and shouldn't be spoken on rook country channel.

Okay that was kind of long winded. The reason for post in short was that I saw Rooks losing bases left and right and then take 5 or 6 hours to get a base back (except for 164, nice). I just wanted the Rooks to look at things from a different perspective since I thought I might go Rooks permanently at the time. No malice was intended. I also realized that yeah I'm going to get zinged here. But maybe it would be worth it or maybe not. Everyone who posts is subject to ridicule of some sort. Some just lie in wait.

I was really disappointed that I didn't get to go on a mission with Dredger. I was looking forward to that.

I will say while I was there I helped Shawk and crew take a port and Target take a field. I tried to help JB21 but it was too late for success. I flew and gv'd as best I could and actually had quite a few kills for the short time I was there. At 98 I was dodging puffy ack, cv planes, pt boats, and HO's (they tried to HO me twice in one flight) trying to save that base. So were others. We saved it!

So thanks again for having me and I wish you all well. Yes I know I was suppose to go on Sabbatical and I've done that. Deleted my account tonight.


BTW I think Lusche post about the trees was just humor. Nothing significant there but still pretty darn funny.

[BnZs]

Learn to control the aircraft>>Learn to Aim>>Learn some SA>>Help Friends and Country Win the War>>Get Bored>>Learn ACM>>Pwn T3h Noobz[/b]

I seem to have skipped steps 2 and 4. I regret skipping the former, the latter, not so much.

[Becinhu]

I seemed to have been absent the day step 2 was taught as well. I will say that since I left my old "base-take" squad and made my own small squad of 5 guys whom I have flown with since my 2 week trial, dropped 99% of basetaking ideas and become a "furballer" (terrible by the way) my enjoyment of this game has close to tripled.  I still get my tail handed to me alot, but I enjoy it alot more.
 

[uptown]

I don't care if we (rooks) win any bases.I just don't. I pay 14.95 a month to shoot down as many bad guys I can before they get me. That's all I want to do right now, and I'm having fun doing it. If ya think about it, what do you get win you win the war? Another map that looks just like the one you've been playing on day in and day out for weeks. Bombing hangers and shooting at buildings are not a challenge to me anymore. They pretty much just sit there ...ya know? I'd much rather fight something that will shoot me down if I don't make a slick move or good shot.

So while you "war winners" are shooting at buildings, hangers and sheep, I'm honing my skills on moving targets and waiting just outside the dar ring for you to come bumbling in so I can collect your scalp too.  

[Motherland]

I would see small groups trying to take a base but it is really hard with just 4 or 5 guys. Heck all you need is just one plane to up and take care of that.

Back when we had the AvA wars going on, that's usually all it took. And back then, the field captures were set to 20, 30, 40, I think even 50 troops at one point, plus hardened buildings, to capture the base to prevent off-hours milking.

As long as the guys doing it aren't completely incompetent (or something catastrophic happens), it's usually not very hard to capture a base with 4 or 5 guys. 3 110's and a goon is more than enough.

[Oldman731]

The first line is paritally correct but your friends don't have to be in your squad or even fly for your country.  In fact your friends don't even need to be someone you've heard of before.  I've got friends on "the other side" just as I do on the Bish side and have met new friends in discussions after our fights.  Regardless of that, they are not what keeps me coming back.  What keeps me coming back is hoping for that one white knuckled, sweaty palmed fight with an equally skilled opponent which are, unfortunately, becoming fewer and further between as the "teamwork" mentality has overcome the MAs.

These two points - we're all friends, and we're here to test ourselves in virtual combat - are key.  Baldeagle's paragraph (see above) should be pasted to the top of everyone's monitor.

- oldman

[Getback]

Ahh, let me take these three lines one at a time.

The first line is partially correct but your friends don't have to be in your squad or even fly for your country.  In fact your friends don't even need to be someone you've heard of before.  I've got friends on "the other side" just as I do on the Bish side and have met new friends in discussions after our fights.  Regardless of that, they are not what keeps me coming back.  What keeps me coming back is hoping for that one white knuckled, sweaty palmed fight with an equally skilled opponent which are, unfortunately, becoming fewer and further between as the "teamwork" mentality has overcome the MAs.

As to the second line, yes it is at times but if that goal doesn't involve a fight then it's largely a waste of time IMO.  Not that I've never snuck a base or that I won't do it again but given the choice I'd rather be improving my ACM or putting a plane I'm less familiar with through it's paces.

Now line three; long before who exactly?  Back in '96 I was CO of a sixty person squad in AW.  We worked together as a team.  We had a bomber wing and two fighter wings plus a command wing.  We'd simultaneously shut down the Spit factory, all the strats, our target field and those immediately around it.  We didn't fly NOE.  We just went for it.  As CO I was getting comms from remote flights scattered all across the map assesing the situation and coordinating timing.  That was fun at the time.  None of today's squads fly missions like that with multiple objectives.  Smash and grab hoard play is the order of the day.  Sad really.

So, since I know you, you probably know I'm a loner.  I've been there done that as far as squad play and teamwork.  I prefer to fly alone, beholding to no one.  I don't want to be obligated to do this or that or fly here or there or clear this guy or that guy.  This is a game I play to relax and have fun and when I log on I'll do that however I please.  Sure it's fun to wing up with someone now and then or assist in a base take, etc. but again, I don't have any desire to feel obligated to do that, thank you very much.

So, play however you want to but you may want to reasses who's not seeing the forest for the trees.

Last time I will reply to this thread. I'm gone from the game.

In all three statements you are splitting hairs. It just isn't worth a deep analysis.

However, as far as reassessing anything, I continually analyze what I say and think of ways I could have said it better or if my thinking was even correct. I stand by my opinion here and my observation until proved otherwise. So far no one has been able to do that. I find it ironic that in so many words they have upheld my observations while condemning me.

I lone wolf it a bunch too. That is one of the complaints RT had about me. In fact, and there is no way for any one to know it, I will head to DAR bars that indicate 4 or 5 cons. Just to see what they are made of. Another observation is all my fights in recent times while lone wolfing involved bases being attacked either from my country or from another country. Either way I went there to collect scalps. So while you are out there saying I don't want to do base captures you benefit from the those who do. In my 6 or 7 year tenure in AH I only have about 4 or 5 fights that did not involve base capture. Only 2 I can truly remember. I enjoy the game in it's entirety. Base captures being part of it. Strategy in all aspects being another part. I refuse to dull my experience by doing just one thing.

If you read my previous post you will understand where I was coming from when I posted. It isn't totally about this vs. that. Hopefully I have given you food for thought. (I now wonder how folks are going to try to turn this axiom on me)

[DMBEAR]

fluff'n tree Huggers, and fluff'n arsonist forest fire starters.  Both suck 

Capture a base if you can and want to.  Keep the fight alive and discourage hanger kills if its all good.  If other people are ruining it for you go play tetris. blah blah blah     blah blah blah blah.   Going back to the game to fight.  I'm getting tiredhead reading this crap. In fact, there ought to be a section that these issues can be moved to when posted called "Crappola Postolas".