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Offline StSanta

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« on: July 28, 2001, 11:42:00 AM »
I've got a feeling that the razorback p47 is a tad bit too maneuverable - or said in other words, either retains e too well or just gets around too fast.

From what I've read, it's approximately the same weight as other jugs. It's heavier than 190's.

Is it just my "feeling" that it's too light or does someone else have it too?

Not a whine, just an inquiry

Offline jihad

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2001, 12:10:00 PM »
IIRC Pyro said it's underweight <300 lbs?> and will be fixed in 1.08.

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2001, 12:18:00 PM »
Quote from Pyro's "Flight model stuff"-post.

 
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[QB]P-47D-11 is underweight and that will be changed.  A prop change is not planned at this point as I really don't want to do 8 variants of the P-47.[QB]

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2001, 03:22:00 PM »
Heh, some razorback shot you down eh?  ;)

(File this under "Luftwhines".)

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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2001, 05:32:00 PM »
Oh no brother bluto!.. Those P47 guys are just too mean. It cannot be true that their ugly green plane is superior to our manly Messerschmidts...!!!!  

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Offline Fester'

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2001, 08:10:00 PM »
p47 has spitfire wings

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2001, 09:02:00 PM »
P-47 is heavier than 190, but it also has about 50% more wing area than the Focke Wulf...

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2001, 11:35:00 PM »
I think the P47D11's a real sweetheart. I'm beginning to get attached to this Jug.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2001, 12:05:00 AM »
P47D11 is a spitbolt.

No, none or very few ever even get a shot at me, but from the flying ive done in the P47D11 its simply too manuverable and turns far too well for a P47.

I stand on my statement that a P47D11 can turn with spitfires and seafires at low level. Ive done it quite a bit against pretty good spitfire pilots in the MA. They were certainly surprised, I was shocked, and we both agreed something wasnt right.

If any of you dedicated 47 pilots say a D11 cant do this you either plain suck at flying the P47 or are lying in an attempt to not draw further attention and scrutiny to this planes unusual turning ability.

Face it guys you have your turnin fun in D11 for now because soon it will all over and it will be fixed.

Sorry if I offend you but thios plane is not accuratly modeled, even HTC agrees on this its 390lbs too light and this does have an impact.

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2001, 04:44:00 AM »
Just to throw it in, i just finished the book JG301/302 from Willi Reschke, there is one very nice passage about combat between him and 2 Jugs:

"I planed to leave the airbattle and find a strip to land: than it came to another dogfight. In a right turn i meet 2 P47 Thunderbolts - this type i had not seen in the fights further above, but their attack intentions were clearly visible. At about 2000 meters my FW190 turned clearly better, and so it came that i quickly sat on the 6 of the 2nd Thunderbolt and she had to take the 1st burst."

It is notable that Fw. Reschke flew a FW190A8 in this fight with the hvy 2x13mm,2x20mm + 2x30mm cannons. And he still was capable of easily outturning the Jugs.

Same counts for the well know story about FW Reschke turnfighting at low alt a Tempest with a TA152.

In both cases a plane with a higher wingloading clearly outturned planes with lower wing loading. this leads me to the assumption that wingloading is not the overall most important factor for turning speed and circle.

Same can be find in mock combats between the Bf 109 and the HE112 in which the 109er inspite of its higher wingloading clearly outturned the HE112.

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2001, 07:48:00 AM »
Geeeshus fediddleing CHRIST ammo.

I thought that during my time in this community, you guys would be able to to distinguish between me and a luftwhiner.

Look at my posting history for the last 3-4 months.

This is disappointing. Some of you are calling "wolf" every time someone that flies LW brings ANYTHING up. So, you're pissed at some LW guys. So, you put every LW guy under that category.

I thought you had more brains than that. It's akin to saying "a human killed another human, therefore all humans kill other humans and all humans are killed by other humans".

It was an inquiry, and it seems it was both a valid one and that it had merit.

Thanks for the info from everyone else; it is appreciated.

Absent the use of smilies, I parse things as meant semi-seriously when in doubt.

[ 07-29-2001: Message edited by: StSanta ]

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2001, 08:45:00 AM »
I am coming back from a long needed break of 3 weeks and it seems to be same ole same ole here.  I must be  bad stick because I cannot retain E and turn worth a crap in any JUG (ask my squaddies) If they nuter the D11 then it may be a permanent ADIOS for me.  I salute any dedicated luftwafer because then us dedicated ETO guys can get authentic match ups. What made me go on a sabbatical was the heavy concentration of NIKs.  I wonder if they still are a problem.

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2001, 09:47:00 AM »
I think the razorback is definitely overmodeled as well.  I too turn with spits, and the occasional N1k (and you know that is impossible).  Dont worry though, it will be fixed!  

All those who deny its overmodelage are simply hoping to hide it so as to keep it turnin' and burnin'  :D

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2001, 10:07:00 AM »
load of crap

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2001, 10:12:00 AM »
The D11 will be fixed but the differences are not going to be that big.  300 lbs on a 14000 lb aircraft isn't that big a deal.  The thing carries about 2200 lbs of fuel and ammo.  300 lbs is about 1/7th the performance difference you would experience between a fully fueled and armed D11 and one on very low fuel/ammo.

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