SW- if you'd care to try that out in the DA or something lemme know, I'm pretty sure that the 190a5 can outturn the P47 in a sustained, low speed circle (which it will be because both planes lose speed so damn fast). I fly the F4 and G2 some, I actually prefer the G2 because it is much faster than the F4, and turns almost as well. I know you have been around for a while, and probably have much more experience flying the planes than me, so I want to ask you a quick question. Of the 109F4 through G10, and the 190A5 and A8, what is the order in turning performance.. Say high speed and low speed seperately. High speed I consider 300+, low speed 200-.
As far as I know, I'd give this order, please let me know if you agree or disagree.
High speed- 190a5, 190a8, 109F4, 109G2, 109G6, 109G10.
Low speed- 109F4, 109G2, 109G6, 190a5, 109G10, 190a8.
I realize that at 350+ the 190 will be more manueverable than the 109 because of the control difficulties the 109 has. Thats why I put them at the top for the high speed, because I figure that the high speed will be a break turn, which would rapidly become a "slow" sustained turn. The 190s also bleed speed a lot faster than the 109, which lets them cut inside of a break turn to get off a snapshot.
I ask this because if you put the American planes (at least the USAAF planes in, I'm not so certain about the USN), I'd order the list like this.
High speed- 190a5,P47D11, P47D25, P47D30, P38, 190a8, P51B, P51D, 109F4, 109G2, 109G6, 109G10.
Low speed- P38, 109F4, 109G2, 109G6, 190A5, P47D11, P47D25, P47D30, P51B, 109G10, P51D, 190A8.
Again, this is purely personal experience, so it may or may not jive with the experiences you have had. All I can really say is that when I am in a 190A8 and a P47 or P51 comes hunting me, I don't like the feeling to much. I honestly HATE P38s, because they turn so much better than the other USAAF planes, and they are damn fast to boot. Only consolation is that they are easy to shoot down if you manage to get behind em.
Also EddieK... let me bounce this off you. A lot of spitfire "fans" want their Spit9 "fixed". They say the engine mounted on it (which I assume they found out by matching the speed in AH vs. the historical planes speed) doesn't match the guns that are on it. So they want the rest of the plane made better, so that it will match the "better" guns that are on it. Do you think they should just remove the .50s and put on the .303s that were in place on Spitfires that had that engine, and wing shape?
Honestly, I don't really care if you do or not, I was just making the case that in many situations the AH plane does not match up with the historical plane that it claims to be. Our 190G10 apparently has an engine that was mounted in the K4 varients. It doesnt have the little "Flettner" tabs that the K4 had to assist with high speed rolling. It doesn't have the armament options that I've seen for the 109K4 (which include 3x30mm, bet you'd be THRILLED to have that one as an option, huh?). I agree with you that the only data I've ever seen in books or webpages lists the 109G10s top speed as 426 mph. So why don't we take our 109G10, make it a K4, and give us the faster rolling and bigger guns? Isn't that a viable option to?
Anyways, I did not mean to turn this post into a "typical Luftwhiner" thread, so I'll leave it at that. Anyone that would care to perform "tests" of the P47s vs. any German plane, I'd be happy to assist. Hell, I enjoy the DA more than the MA nowadays anyway.