The jugfire

[DmdStuB]

Well now....I never said that it was a well flown spitfire   However I am sure that it wasn't a drone I was flying against either.  I do not claim to be a good Jug pilot (or of any plane type for that matter) and I fully acknowlege the fact that the guy in the spit could have turned the tables on me if he had been really good, but he was average, and I was able to hang with him, to my great suprise.
As far as a duel, I think that you should do it against someone who is a good Jug pilot, rather than me, who just happens to luck out every once and a while  

 

Originally posted by -ammo-:


Stub, i am  JUG fanatic, but I have yet to outurn a well flown spitfire..ever. I welcome you to show me. I'll be the spit, you take the D25, or whichever. And we can switch up. Let me know if you would like to do this.

ammo

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by DmdStuB:
Well now....I never said that it was a well flown spitfire   However I am sure that it wasn't a drone I was flying against either.  I do not claim to be a good Jug pilot (or of any plane type for that matter) and I fully acknowlege the fact that the guy in the spit could have turned the tables on me if he had been really good, but he was average, and I was able to hang with him, to my great suprise.
As far as a duel, I think that you should do it against someone who is a good Jug pilot, rather than me, who just happens to luck out every once and a while  

 

Stub NP, I didnt mean a duel, I meant more of a test type thing. I figure I could prove my point and maybe learn something at the same time. Wasnt a battle of best thing

And I am just an average jug pilot myself. I make mistakes, and get a few kills ever so often.

ammo

[-ammo-]

NP santa. And the truth is my origional post, this topic, was just a light-hearted jab.

CYA in the virtual skies!

ammo

[LaVa]

gonna take my thing out and let the troll suck on it.

No serouisly..im gonna let it do it...

I'll leave me girlfreind outta this sry.

Here's a question: are glad your not smart enough to develop this kind of software, because if you did would you play with own product.

sometimes it good to be the consumer.

Back to the Dock - ALL HAIL LaVA's Vacation!

Have a good one! get drunk

[DmdStuB]

Hehe, I didn't take it like that......I guess I should have used a term other than duel.  I lack consistancy, which is really needed to run that type of test.  (Not having a working throttle is certainly not helping my flying either)  I flew a little bit last night with 1/4 fuel again.  I really do notice a difference in performance once the aux tank gets depleted.  It seemed to me that as long as I didn't let my speed get below ~200 I could hang with anything.  Looking back, I think that in the example I gave, the spit driver was trying to extend and was keeping his speed high enough that it was to my benefit....(again, I wish I had recorded it)if we had started to get into the roundy round/bleed all of your E/I'm gonna git you sucka kind of stuff, I firmly believe that I would have been dead meat.

StuB

I get all slobbery when I start thinking about how the Jug would perform with some paddles.  With 1/4 fuel I was getting 3500 fpm with wep.  I bet the paddles would be good for at least another 500 fpm.
HTC, PLEASE........Give us at least one Jug with paddles!!!

 

Originally posted by -ammo-:


Stub NP, I didnt mean a duel, I meant more of a test type thing. I figure I could prove my point and maybe learn something at the same time. Wasnt a battle of best thing  

And I am just an average jug pilot myself. I make mistakes, and get a few kills ever so often.

ammo

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[ 08-01-2001: Message edited by: DmdStuB ]

[funkedup]

If pyro is going to add 300lbs on to the plane to "make it right" then I would like to see the paddle prop

The first P-47 with paddle blade props from the factories were D-22-RE and D-23-RA.

[Sancho]

Originally posted by funkedup:


The first P-47 with paddle blade props from the factories were D-22-RE and D-23-RA.

P-47s in the field were upgraded to paddle blade props at the beginning of January 1944, at least a month or two before the -22 or -23 were available in the field.  The -11 we have should get the paddleblade.

[ 08-01-2001: Message edited by: Sancho ]

[Hooligan]

At the rate that HTC is adding planes the paddle-bladed d11 is coming.  But from what Pyro said earlier, I doubt it will be soon.

Hooligan

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by Buzzbait:
S!

Here's a perfect example:

"-Our G-10 doesn't have "K-4s engine". DB605D-series of engines were installed in both variants (K-4 and G-10) of the Bf-109.

-German wartime performance sheet lists highest power output for the DB605D as 2200hp with MW-50. AH G-10 has DB605DCM engine which used MW-50 and higher octane (96/100 "C3 fuel") fuel than normal DB605D
which uses 87 octane (B4) fuel..."

So the Luftwobbles get the best possible version of the G-10....

Why then doesn't the P-47D11 come in the best possible version, ie. with the Paddle blade prop?

Paddle blade prop was retrofitted to D-11. AH's G-10 came that way straight from the factory. Allthough I have nothing against D-11 getting a paddle blade prop you can't make a point using this as an example.

BTW, eddiek sure seems awfully quiet.  

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1Wmaker1
 

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Wmaker:


Paddle blade prop was retrofitted to D-11. AH's G-10 came that way straight from the factory. Allthough I have nothing against D-11 getting a paddle blade prop you can't make a point using this as an example.

BTW, eddiek sure seems awfully quiet.    

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1Wmaker1
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This is flawed. Although the D11 wasnt fitted with the prop in the factory in the States, the props were immediatedly shipped in to the UK and fitted in mass in Jan '44. The LW had no such delay as they were fighting right where their Manufacturer's were, and their supply lines were unhindered. I do not believe that the Messerschmitt and Focke Wolf engineers and porduction people sat idle while they produced upgrades to the AC they created. They got the upgrades installed of course. The D11 we have here was used prior to the installation date of Jan '44.

ammo

[Wmaker]

Nope Ammo...it isn't flawed. I agree with your points but it doesn't change the fact that those props were fitted to planes that were allready long off the production lines. At least to me a new greatly improved prop like that when installed makes D-11 early '44 fighter. Nothing bad about that. It's just that when the real G-10 which AH is modelling came out the factory it had the performance it had from right there.

As I said I agree with you why things were the way they were but "why" doesn't change the fact that things happened/were that way.

I'll give you an example. Personally I can't see why AH should have aircraft like P-51H or F8F since they didn't fight in the war itself. They were deployed but if they didn't see action I can't count them as being World War 2 aircraft. So therefore they shouldn't be in the game IMO. But there have been arguments that since Allies didn't have any need for them in the end of the war they didn't see action and that's no reason to exclude them from the game. History is history and if AH is a flight sim featuring various WW2 aircraft I think it really doesn't matter why certain aircraft didn't see action as long as they didn't they shouldn't be in a combat sim featuring WW2 aircraft.

A little long and probably too hot topic for an example but it was the best I could come up with. Now I hope that everyone would be smart enough and not start arguing about the above since it's not the topic of this thread...I really don't want to be a thread hijacker. It's just an example, that's all.

...do you see my point ammo?

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1Wmaker1
 

[straffo]

So Wmaker you want to see thousand of 162 / 262 and FW parked in forest ... without being able to fly with one ?

If you want history in the MA jump allways to the gangbanged country to fly your lw Iron   it would be more realistic  

MA is not and won't be any time history ... it's the gaming part of the MMOP scenario can give the "taste" of history but won't be historic anytime just because of balance reason.

I hope I'm clear cause writing after a typical french meal is quite hard ... especially after the wonderfull Chassagne Montrachet we got this time  

PS there was a cognac at the end too  

[GRUNHERZ]

Im cool with non-historic planes in the MA.
Yep!

F86 and Mig15 to AH!!!!

[Toad]

Just a point on the Bearcat. It was deployed aboard a carrier that was enroute to the war zone when the Japanese surrendered.

At that time, the carrier was at Pearl Harbor, making its last preparations and loading supplies prior to entering the war zone.

The aircraft and the squadron were combat ready. The only thing missing was an enemy directly overhead, which is what allows some pretty experimental German aircraft to slip into games under the "saw combat" rule.

Not exactly an even standard to decide by, is it?

What would happen if we were to invent and use a "fully combat ready aircraft and deployed as at least one trained squadron complete with maintenance troops and spare parts" rule?  

[GRUNHERZ]

Which pretty german experimental plane are you talking about? The only thing even remotely close to that in AH is the Ta152, but even it wasnt exactly rushed madly into service in the last week of the war like you seem to insinuate. The first Ta152 being used in January 1945.

Even the Me262 started combat in summer of 1944..

So no Toad you dont have a clever point here unless somebody here was asking for something entirely innapropriate like a Do335.

Anyway I dont care if they put in USA fantasy Korean war planes, theyll be perked and be more expensive than Tempests and will just be able to run away from my 109G6 or 190A5 even faster than they do today in their P51s and P47s.