Perk the 37MM Il-2

[waystin2]

There are no experts in this field.

Well how about those who are willing to debate the vagaries a bit more than myself....

[SmokinLoon]

wasnt there some plane that the firing of there cannons made it stop or slow down from the force..

Quite a few, actually.  It was also said that the early model B52's actually gained a few knots of speed when the rear gunner (20mm?) fired for any amount of time.  Take it for what it is worth.   

In regards to the IL-2's accuracy, even the Hurricare IID hasa bit of a jolt when firing.  Nothing to really make it less accurate, but it is far more noticable than when firing the IL-2 much faster firing 37mm.

Does anyone have pics of the Soviet 37mm and British 40mm shells?  I'm curious as to how they compare in case size.  IIRC, the British 40mm was a naval gun that fired an HE warhead and the IL-2 fired an AP projectile, yes? 

[SmokinLoon]

There are no experts in this field.

Perhaps, but there are many people to have shown that HTC is amongst the crowd as being "not in the know" as well.

[Ack-Ack]

Those that cry for the IL2 to be perked are the same limp wristed players that cry to perk the WW, LA-7, P-51D or any other plane or vehicle they can't kill due to lack of skill.

IL2 doesn't need to be perked.  If you want to protect your vehicles from being attacked, bring along some mobile AA cover and friendly air support.  IL2s won't last very long if there is friendly DEFCAP in place to cover the attacking GVs.


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

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Seen as the stuka is hardly used in the game perk up the IL2 or fix the eny/obj and add this baby!

So you guys can spam the forums with "PERK THE G-2!" threads?


ack-ack

[Masherbrum]

wasnt there some plane that the firing of there cannons made it stop or slow down from the force..

The A-10.    The force exerted from the AWG-8/A cannon offsets the forward thrust of the engines.   No other plane had this characteristic in all of my readings.   At least this is the only PROVEN case, I've ever heard mentioned.

This is a WWII flight sim.

[skullman]

just leave em as is.Just have to change tactics

[AWwrgwy]

The A-10.    The force exerted from the AWG-8/A cannon offsets the forward thrust of the engines.   No other plane had this characteristic in all of my readings.   At least this is the only PROVEN case, I've ever heard mentioned.

This is a WWII flight sim.

Why aren't there more cannon powered aircraft?  It would seem to be a pretty good source of power if one 30mm rotary cannon can offset the thrust of two turbofans enough to stop forward movement.


 


wrongway

[SmokinLoon]

Those that cry for the IL2 to be perked are the same limp wristed players that cry to perk the WW, LA-7, P-51D or any other plane or vehicle they can't kill due to lack of skill.

IL2 doesn't need to be perked.  If you want to protect your vehicles from being attacked, bring along some mobile AA cover and friendly air support.  IL2s won't last very long if there is friendly DEFCAP in place to cover the attacking GVs.


ack-ack

Your "lack of skill" arguement is getting old.  It has nothing to so with skill and everything to do with the capability extremes of an aircraft.  Stop being so quick on the knee jerk.

[E25280]

I'm not sure the IL-2 needs to be perked as much as it needs to have its ENY/OBJ scores adjusted.

CUrrently, it has a 25 ENY.... and why???  Because HTC doesnt pay close enough attention after they get it in game with regards to ENY/OBJ scores.  The IL-2 is a MUCH better aircraft than the 25 ENY.  Nothing rips open gv's like it regardless of 23mm or 37mm. 

The 2 biggest travesties in ENY scoring are the IL-2 and the Fw190A-8.  The IL-2 would be better served with a 12 or 15 ENY (seriously, stop and think how devistating it is even with out ord), and the 190A-8 is a far better aircraft than a 31 ENY (the dual 30mm in the nose make it the best single engine "porker" and bomber hunter in the game).

IMO the ENY scores for aircraft have more to do with its A2A capability than its A2G capability.  In this regard, I don't think the IL-2 rates as low as a 25, to be honest.

You would almost need a third ENY score (in addition to ENY and OBJ) to rate the planes comparably.

[Ack-Ack]

Your "lack of skill" arguement is getting old.  It has nothing to so with skill and everything to do with the capability extremes of an aircraft.  Stop being so quick on the knee jerk.

I am sorry if the truth has struck a nerve with you but it is what it is.  No one has shown any definitive proof on why the IL2 needs to be perked.  Every argument to have it perked is always based on how the IL2 killed so and so's tank and they didn't like it because they can no longer spawn camp with impunity.

So, show us (backed up by concrete proof) on how the IL2 unbalances the game play and as such, needs to be perked.  


ack-ack

[SmokinLoon]

IMO the ENY scores for aircraft have more to do with its A2A capability than its A2G capability.  In this regard, I don't think the IL-2 rates as low as a 25, to be honest.

You would almost need a third ENY score (in addition to ENY and OBJ) to rate the planes comparably.

I'm not sure about the AvA ability being the base for the ENY score.  The 110G-2 isnt anywhere near the other aircraft in the 10 ENY range when it comes to AvA ability.

Who knows what or how the ENY is based on, I bet HTC cant even vouich for how they set things up, I know HTC cant vouch for how they maintain it that is for sure.  Stop and look at the stats and see how many planes are in the 20-30 range that are ahead in the game vs other coresponding aircraft in the same range.  Aircraft like the 190A-8 and IL-2 are so very inaccurately scored it isnt funny.  Look at the Wirblewind, Ostwind, and M16 and I dare anyone to tell me those ENY scores are relative to their ability and success.  HTC either is totally turning a blind eye or they dont care.    

[SmokinLoon]

I am sorry if the truth has struck a nerve with you but it is what it is.  No one has shown any definitive proof on why the IL2 needs to be perked.  Every argument to have it perked is always based on how the IL2 killed so and so's tank and they didn't like it because they can no longer spawn camp with impunity.

So, show us (backed up by concrete proof) on how the IL2 unbalances the game play and as such, needs to be perked.  


ack-ack

I didnt say it needed to be perked.  Keep showing you egotistical and immature side, you're doing well.  My point was how you kneejerk with the same response.

The IL-2 doesnt need to be perked, it needs an ENY adjustment because it is a far more menace than its 25 ENY shows.  Ords aside, no other plane can rip apart a gv like an IL-2 and the ENY does not reflect that.  Both the Hurricane IID and the IL-2 have the same ENY of 25... care to explain that one??? 

[Ack-Ack]

Ords aside, no other plane can rip apart a gv like an IL-2 and the ENY does not reflect that. 

B-25H can kill any GV in this game with one round and further out than the IL2 can.


As for the ENY, ask HiTech why he gave the numbers as he did.


ack-ack

[SmokinLoon]

B-25H can kill any GV in this game with one round and further out than the IL2 can.


As for the ENY, ask HiTech why he gave the numbers as he did.


ack-ack

OK... if the B25 is so good then why isnt it being used more?  Oh, and what is the ENY of the B25H??? That 75mm HE has a trajectory like a bowling ball falling off the shelf and it isnt any more able to destroy a tank than the IL-2 at typical ranges (800 yards and closer). 

Oh?  HTC did mention why???  Do us all a favor and link that thread.  I've done the searches as others have... and there is nothing out there.  Nothing recent and certainly not since the IL-2 was re-done with the dual 37mm.  If there was something posted, then lets save everyone a lot of time and have it pinned up top, shall we???