Perk the 37MM Il-2

[Bronk]

Perk the Wirble also? You know with the over modeled turret rotation speed and over modeled quad infinite continuous fire?

This was kind of just a poke at the OP. I do not want the wirble perked. Just fixed and the eny adjusted.

[moot]

The B25H may not be easy to kill tanks with, from 3K out, but it can do it.  The Il2 can only do it from within 1.5K and that's with whacked out convergence/dispersion.  The trajectory is really not bad at all on the 75mm. It's actualy very good all the way out to 4K with moderate approach angles.  Do your homework preparing the shot, coming with speed and angle, and the limiting factor is how precise and smooth your controls are.  The gun isn't the bottleneck there.
The reason the 25H isn't used is because it's so much more dependent on air superiority.

[RMrider]

Ack-Ack,

I have always respected you (and known enough not to start a BBS war with you  )

However im not sure if its the lack of "skill" these guys have that causes them to want the IL2 perked. Many "skilled" pilots/Tankers can have some real problems with this monster.

I dont GV much anymore with the stick problems i have, messes with my GVing, but i have witnessed the IL2's fire power, and if it gets perked? sure perk the whirble. But i believe something should be done about the IL2,

I fly for knights, we dont tend to work together much  , so unless you have squaddies on its hard to get a mobile AA gun to come with you on a GV sortie.

Actually... im not totally sure where im going with this, so ill end with this, i just dont like russian planes, get rid of the damned thing. 

[SmokinLoon]

The B25H may not be easy to kill tanks with, from 3K out, but it can do it.  The Il2 can only do it from within 1.5K and that's with whacked out convergence/dispersion.  The trajectory is really not bad at all on the 75mm. It's actualy very good all the way out to 4K with moderate approach angles.  Do your homework preparing the shot, coming with speed and angle, and the limiting factor is how precise and smooth your controls are.  The gun isn't the bottleneck there.
The reason the 25H isn't used is because it's so much more dependent on air superiority.

The IL-2 is far a more efficient gv killer than the B25H.  And if you really think the B25H can destroy gv's reliably from a 3-4k distance, I really want you to teach me that trick.  Seriously.  The furthest I've ever destroyed a gv with a B25H was very near 1000 yards and that was vs an M3.  I dont even think I hit it but rather the ground in front of it (area effect?)

[moot]

Seriously?  Shoot from above.  It'll work if you have a sensitive enough stick. I certainly don't.  That's the limiting factor, not the gun.
I'm pretty sure I've done it last year with Kappa.. We were shooting at flaks from ~3K out and nailed a couple of them. Turreted a good number of them. Landing a hit on the small areas that are vulnerable on e.g. a T34 from anything else than straight above (or even then) is extremely difficult.. But not impossible.  Jeeps and M3/16s are a piece of cake though, yep.  You just need to hit near enough and then let the (seemingly) random splash damage generator do the rest.  But again the ballistics aren't the limiting factor at all.  I've deacked fields from ~10kft and routinely overcompensated for shell drop.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

I would only say make the WW historic turret transverse wise, and put a TINY perk on the il-2 WITH the 37mm gun option. And only a small perk so as to not render the 23mm cannon version useless in the MA.

[gpwurzel]

Moot, I may have been on the receiving end of that trick with the b25. Very infuriating it is too.....



Couldnt hit the plane at all, and I'm not a bad shot in a wirble/osti at times.

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Wurzel

[FYB]

See Rule #2

[Plazus]

I put my vote on a bigger gun package for the stuka. 

[Anaxogoras]

I love how the "work together" argument is selectively applied to GV's, but not to bomber pilots who get drones to make up for their lack of teamwork.

[MjTalon]

The IL-2 is far a more efficient gv killer than the B25H.  And if you really think the B25H can destroy gv's reliably from a 3-4k distance, I really want you to teach me that trick.  Seriously.  The furthest I've ever destroyed a gv with a B25H was very near 1000 yards and that was vs an M3.  I dont even think I hit it but rather the ground in front of it (area effect?)

Simple. Tank weakpoints. Every tank has at least 2. Learn them, get that Trusty B25H gunsight, and you'll be popping them from those ranges. I've done it before before i went all luft. Just takes practice, patience, and execution.

[TheZohan]

Simple. Tank weakpoints. Every tank has at least 2. Learn them, get that Trusty B25H gunsight, and you'll be popping them from those ranges. I've done it before before i went all luft. Just takes practice, patience, and execution.

every tank has weakpoints agreed.. with a 37mm il-2 i am more likely to get a kill not having to finetune a shot with a B25

if you made 50 passes on a 50 tanks with each what you think would have a higher kill ratio?

i would bet the il-2 hands down

[SmokinLoon]

Simple. Tank weakpoints. Every tank has at least 2. Learn them, get that Trusty B25H gunsight, and you'll be popping them from those ranges. I've done it before before i went all luft. Just takes practice, patience, and execution.

Every tank has a weak point.  Got it.  I'll right that down.     Lemme guess, the rear and top?  You're partially correct.  Weak point vs effective point, that is the next debate.  The easiest to hit is the side of the tank (or top if coming in from the tank's 9 or 3 O'Clock) because the target is wider and you can get both rounds on target for longer periods of time.  I rarely ever go for the front of a tank and if do it is to knock out the cheese armored turret of a T34x.

I can nail all of the tanks in the rear/top and take them out with the IL-2 or the Hurri IID (Hurri IID is much more of a challnge).  Not a big deal.  I can hit the sides of a all of the tanks and be about %75 as effective as I am when hitting the rear of a tank with the only exception being the Tiger.  That thing is tough.  Mind you, I'm firing from 400 and closer with no more than 3 volleys from the Hurri IID and maybe 5-6 from the IL-2/37mm.

The B25H may be a bad boy when it comes to taking out GV's, but it is too out matched in the air to go up without fighter support or complete air superiority.  Like Zohan said (and I completely agree), the IL-2 is by far the most efficient tank killer in the game and I believe the ENY/OBJ score is quite inaccrate.

[Bronk]

every tank has weakpoints agreed.. with a 37mm il-2 i am more likely to get a kill not having to finetune a shot with a B25

if you made 50 passes on a 50 tanks with each what you think would have a higher kill ratio?

i would bet the il-2 hands down

Bet my kill : hit ratio would be smoking in a b-25.

[skullman]

the b25 is alot easier to kill than the IL.I found that raking pintle gun fire from gun to gun seems to be the most effective.Wont kill em but they limp home smoking