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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #180 on: August 03, 2009, 05:54:12 PM »
Opps,

  Look what I started..... :devil

 Atleast it's keeping the thread active.... without beating the horse. :lol

 

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #181 on: August 03, 2009, 08:45:35 PM »
Heheheh,

I'll see if I can't find another "stubs" pic and return the thread to my original whine...

 :D
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« Reply #182 on: August 04, 2009, 06:39:52 AM »
Here ya go.

This is RS625 of 143 Squadron.

It's got stubs AND rockets AND drop tanks!

(Pilot's notes say the tanks had to be dropped before the rockets were fired, can't think why....)

... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #183 on: August 04, 2009, 01:30:03 PM »
Scherf:

 Here's a question for you,ever notice the dorsal fillet on the Hornets??

 Much like the ones added to the B17 or P51,I wonder why it wasnt added to the Mossie?

 BTW,that pic is sweet,has a calm purposed effect about it,oh and do I see foofighters attached?? :devil

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #184 on: August 04, 2009, 02:19:02 PM »
Why were the ejector stubs angled downward so much outboard of the engine? There was no radiator to protect there. Even on the inboard side it seems drastic to angle the stubs down that much.
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #185 on: August 04, 2009, 02:37:24 PM »
Why were the ejector stubs angled downward so much outboard of the engine? There was no radiator to protect there. Even on the inboard side it seems drastic to angle the stubs down that much.

Wouldn't want that wing leading edge getting all crispy.

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« Reply #186 on: August 04, 2009, 02:50:04 PM »
Sure, but the angle looks extreme for that. Must be wasting half or more of the exhaust thrust.
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #187 on: August 04, 2009, 03:22:29 PM »
woderfull pic Scherf  :aok
Mosquito VI - twice the spitfire, four times the ENY.

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #188 on: August 04, 2009, 03:41:43 PM »
Sure, but the angle looks extreme for that. Must be wasting half or more of the exhaust thrust.
"up" thrust would help too I'd think as it would reduce, slightly, the lift required of the wings and therefor the parasitic drag.
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #189 on: August 04, 2009, 03:56:36 PM »
Parasitic drag has nothing to do with lift. Drag caused by lift is called (lift) induced drag. At high speed induced drag is an almost negligible part of total drag. Unlike parasitic drag which is proportional to the square of the airspeed, for a given lift, induced drag on an airfoil is inversely proportional to the square of the airspeed. In other words if you double the speed the parasitic drag increases four times, while the lift induced drag is reduced to a quarter of what it was.
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #190 on: August 04, 2009, 04:15:34 PM »
Parasitic drag has nothing to do with lift. Drag caused by lift is called (lift) induced drag. At high speed induced drag is an almost negligible part of total drag. Unlike parasitic drag which is proportional to the square of the airspeed, for a given lift, induced drag on an airfoil is inversely proportional to the square of the airspeed. In other words if you double the speed the parasitic drag increases four times, while the lift induced drag is reduced to a quarter of what it was.
Quite right.  I had a mental hiccup it seems.
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #191 on: August 04, 2009, 04:17:49 PM »
Happens to everybody.


For anyone still wondering, here's a nice picture of what I'm on about:




As illustrated, parasitic drag is the limiting factor for speed. The faster you go the less relevant induced drag gets.
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #192 on: August 04, 2009, 05:33:02 PM »
Sure, but the angle looks extreme for that. Must be wasting half or more of the exhaust thrust.

Hot air rises thus giving extra lift under the wing. :) ;)

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #193 on: August 04, 2009, 06:27:17 PM »
 :lol
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #194 on: August 04, 2009, 08:26:40 PM »
Scherf:

 Here's a question for you,ever notice the dorsal fillet on the Hornets??

 Much like the ones added to the B17 or P51,I wonder why it wasnt added to the Mossie?

 BTW,that pic is sweet,has a calm purposed effect about it,oh and do I see foofighters attached?? :devil

Yeah, I've wondered about that, I think there were comments that the Mossie needed more fin when one engine was out, especially at low speed.

The Hornet fillet is pretty substantial; my best guess (and it's no more than that) is that a similarly-solid fillet would have pushed the Mossie's CG too far back. It was fairly far back (IIRC) with bomb-bay tanks and wheels up, so...

Not that any of that prevented Mossies from getting home "on one" from all manner of nasty far-flung places.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB