La-7's armament

[Die Hard]

Please tell me where you get that "7%" from.

Perhaps you didn't notice the big nice pie chart I posted? (Thanks Lusche!)

[Lusche]

Allow me the comment that those numbers are not showing percentage of players flying a plane, and are not based on number of sorties either.
Those charts do just show the distribution of kills & deaths combined, which is the best approximation to "usage" we can get with the data HTC provides.

[moot]

No, not chicken and egg. The La-7 is not an unbalancing factor in the arena. There are not too many players flying it compared to other planes. That is the only thing that matters.

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If you think something needs perking you first have to show that it is unbalancing the arena.

It unbalances the plane usage.  No one in the game would rather have something like 25% of all planes in the arena being just 5 planes and the rest of the planeset rarely seen.  Bombs will probably get perked too.  1000#ers for fighters most likely.
The same way we have WGr21 rocket tubes that don't jettison after use. The same way we'll have to pay perks for removing the rear gunner and equipment on the Me410.  And if we don't it's fine by me, but it's a missed opportunity for better plane usage distribution.

[Anaxogoras]

No. There will always be favourites. As long as no one plane gets too dominant like the F4U1C did everything is ok. Should the P-51D be perked because 7% of players fly it? Of course not.

I have a problem with the F4U-1C example because the planeset was much smaller back then.  So of course it would be a lot easier for one aircraft to hit 25% than it is now (and there was no SpitXVI!).

Secondly, high use numbers alone are not unbalancing.  If next tour half of us flew all our sorties in the P-40B, that would not be unbalancing. 

Lastly, I venture to say that no one has ever given an explanation of what "unbalancing" means, instead they point to examples and other individual events.  The word deserves to die in the AH lexicon unless someone can do better than that.  I would prefer to see necessary and sufficient conditions for "unbalancing" before we throw around the word like we know what we're talking about.

[Die Hard]

This is what Pyro said back in 2000 when the perk system was introduced:

Just to clear up a few things about this upcoming system. 

It is not meant to be something that only elite pilots can get.  That's not the point at all.  If you fly like you do now, you will eventually accumulate enough points to get a perk plane.  Most planes you will be able to fly all you want, so it's not like you'll end up gettting stuck with lousy planes if you don't have any points.

This system does a few things for us.  First it allows us to introduce planes that we otherwise would not be able to include because they would upset play balance.  It also helps balance out plane selection and brings more diversity since people can get more points by flying less capable planes.  Last, it gives players a tangible reward for their efforts. 

You do not need to be a top pilot or fly mega hours each week to achieve a perk.  Flying more will let you achieve it in a shorter amount of real time, but you'll still have to spend the same amount of in-game time.

This is a purely a game system for the main arena.  How a plane gets classified only has to do with how it affects the main arena, not with how it served historically.

This system will also be used in bombers and vehicles.  A B-29 and Tiger II would be examples of what we could add as perks there.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Perking the P-51, Spit16, Nikki and La-7 won't do anything to balance the arena. There will always be a small number of planes that are more used than the rest. The most popular American fighter (biggest market and player base), the best runner, the best furballer, the best HO'er and the best ground attacker of the free plane set will always dominate usage. If the P-51, Spit16, Nikki and La-7 are perked they will simply be replaced by the next best plane that does the same things well.

[Cajunn]

Those numbers are way off.   I've noticed more Ki-61's (which is why I don't fly it anymore, after it was being deemed a "POS" by most who now fly it.), Ta-152's and Spit 8's.    I see the Community straying from the Spit 16, La7.    I see more 51's and more 109's of all models. 

I'm not stating this as Gospel, but just from my perspective. 

I totally agree with that observation, and I think it goes in cycles, it use to be that N1K's were everywhere and now you don't see them near as often.

[moot]

This is what Pyro said back in 2000 when the perk system was introduced:


Perking the P-51, Spit16, Nikki and La-7 won't do anything to balance the arena. There will always be a small number of planes that are more used than the rest. The most popular American fighter (biggest market and player base), the best runner, the best furballer, the best HO'er and the best ground attacker of the free plane set will always dominate usage. If the P-51, Spit16, Nikki and La-7 are perked they will simply be replaced by the next best plane that does the same things well.

I guess that might settle it.  "Smoke em if you got em."    I still think the arena would be better off with 1000#s perked for fighters.  The same way the planes are made to be more like they were in reality with WGr21 tubes that you can't jettison.

[StokesAk]

La Sucks regarudless.

[Karnak]

I have a problem with the F4U-1C example because the planeset was much smaller back then.  So of course it would be a lot easier for one aircraft to hit 25% than it is now (and there was no SpitXVI!).

You people keep saying that and it keeps being used less than the P-51D, which was in the game back then.

Whine more.

[Anaxogoras]

You people keep saying that and it keeps being used less than the P-51D, which was in the game back then.

And this address the argument, how?

[Masherbrum]

La Sucks regarudless.

How so?

[Cajunn]

I'm glad the Topic didn't go to waste  

[Cajunn]

La Sucks regarudless.

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Sounds to me that someone got there tail spanked be a couple of them.................

[StokesAk]

How so?

Well the cannons on it suck and are hard to aim. Yes it is fast and it can climb. Feul loadout is crapy. Cannon fire rate gives it almost no ammo. And it doesn't turn that well at higher speeds. Can't Dive. Very Weak armour. poor rear visiblity.

[Tec]

Well the cannons on it suck and are hard to aim. Yes it is fast and it can climb. Feul loadout is crapy. Cannon fire rate gives it almost no ammo. And it doesn't turn that well at higher speeds. Can't Dive. Very Weak armour. poor rear visiblity.

Are we flying the same La7?