Me 210/410

[moot]

Those aren't 210s, they're 150mm's.  Compare:

[Lusche]

Rutzatze (sp?) :

Rüstsätze

A terrible word to spell and to pronounce for everyone learning German

[Stoney]

Somebody (Pyro? Skuzzy?) has mentioned an upper limit on ord options. Anybody recall WHAT that limit was? I think it was in relation to the p47s or some other plane, that the comment was typed.

When the B-25H was introduced, I made mention of the fact that the 10X5" HVAR armament was missing as an option.  Skuzzy replied that between the caliber .50, 75mm, and bombs, the B-25H had maxed out the number of armament configuration options.  I believe its 16 total weapon types, but I could have remembered incorrectly.  Perhaps you could search for the forum thread.

[EDIT]  Saw that Morphiend answered this already...

[moot]

Lusche - Thanks.

Stoney - So it's number of actors, not just number of types of weapons?  Cause now that you mention it, the P38L has just 7 types of actors in its loadouts, and yet it doesn't show the rockets in the wings 1:1.  The same way large bomb loadouts on e.g. the Ju88 don't visually display the actual number of bombs in the bay (e.g. the 20x 50kg loadout), or as you say the 25H... which only has 8+6 50cals, a 75mm, and three types of bombs...  Huh... That still doesn't add up to 16 as the limit.   I don't get it.

Anyway, the 410 wouldn't break that limit if HTC divided the loadouts into A and B historical (but otherwise duplicate) variants.  It'd be cool to have that limit repaired so (I assume) common loadouts like the 10x5" for the 25H could show up though.  I suppose there's a lot of other historical configurations that might not have been feasible because of this.. That's a shame.

[Stoney]

Stoney - So it's number of actors, not just number of types of weapons?  Cause now that you mention it, the P38L has just 7 types of actors in its loadouts, and yet it doesn't show the rockets in the wings 1:1.  The same way large bomb loadouts on e.g. the Ju88 don't visually display the actual number of bombs in the bay (e.g. the 20x 50kg loadout), or as you say the 25H... which only has 8+6 50cals, a 75mm, and three types of bombs...  Huh... That still doesn't add up to 16 as the limit.   I don't get it.

The way I understand it, there can be 16 different weapons on the aircraft.  Each caliber .50 counts as one weapon.  On the B-25H, you've got 14(?), plus the cannon, and the bomb load, for 16 total weapons.  I may have misunderstood the way that all works, and obviously HTC could provide the actual mechanics of it, but something like what I described.

[Die Hard]

Those aren't 210s, they're 150mm's.  Compare:
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Cool!

[Dan216TH]

bump
all that aside I will focus this thread for the 410 not the 210

[moot]

Fixed that pic posted above...


A very nice cutaway of the Me410.

Note the size of the air brakes.. Not all that big.  The flaps are really not too big either, even accounting for the trailing radiator flaps' added area.

[fudgums]

so dam sexi

[Krusty]

Hey... Maybe when HTC models and adds the Me410, they can add this -U1 Rutzatze (sp?) :
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I'm pretty sure that's for the 262, not the 410...

[moot]

Yes. Just something interesting I stumbled onto.

[morfiend]

Yes. Just something interesting I stumbled onto.

 Shameless bump.....

I thought since HTC has shown us some pretty new things I should bring this aircraft back for some attention!!

I'd be like  if this was added.

   

[moot]

I still have to break down the weights to see where, more or less, the 410 weighs in at when light/heavy.

[Kazaa]

Would anyone happen to know how well the ME410 would do in A2A engagements?

What would it’s best quality happen to be in that regard?

[moot]

I'd say something like a 110 with sharper handling (heavier and moderately worse wingloading, but slightly better powerloading, flaps the same area as the 110's, leading edge slats), and stronger guns.  The 6x20mm package speaks for itself... The MK103s will probably be cumbersome, but I expect that their hitting power (~95% the NS-37's, x2 guns) and ballistics (dunno about dispersion, but fly as straight as 50cal/hispanos) make up for it.  So for A2A, it should characteristically be something like the 152 -  constrained agility leaving not much room for error, but jackpot anytime you can work out a solution.  Compared to the general trend we know right now between Luftwaffe, RAF, and US fighters, it should fit right in.

The BK5 is pretty much a one-shot kill on anything that flies, at the cost of two tons of gun+ammo.  No idea about the dispersion HTC will model, but given that it's a ~1shot/sec gun and that it's got a pretty huge kinetic energy (~10 times the average AH cannon, twice the NS-37's) for a muzzle velocity about the same as 50cal/Hispanos, it should be fairly flat and most accurate.  By comparison, the 25H's 75mm has twice the kinetic energy but only 2/3s the muzzle velocity.  The BK5 should fly at least as far as the NS37 (~1.5-2K).. Hopefully as far as the Ostie's round - it has less kinetic E and muzzle velocity than the NS-37 but is allowed to fly 3K out or so.

Accessorily, the 410 has see-thru cockpit on the lighter gun packages (2 separate sections gradually covered as muzzle flash increases.. see the pics up-thread), dive brakes, and visibility should be about as good as the 110's.  It has rear guns, but those are probably at least as ineffective as the 110's.  It looks like there's a see-through pane of glass separating the bomb bay (right in the nose) and cockpit floor.. I don't know whether that'll be modeled, and if HTC will model the substantial instabilities of flying with that open.  It would make for a really big exploit for lead shots.