Spitfires in tour 110: Late war

[Masherbrum]

It is easy to always have an argument when you bother to inform yourself, and frankly, apparently have more upstairs than many of those arguing with you.

Insult is the last refuge of the out-argued. Oddly, it also seems to be your first and only refuge.

BTW, this little sarcastic praise you like to give out, per this last example...I've seen you use it over and over again. Steve or someone posts a film of a nifty move and you have to snipe. It is a pattern, it is a fixation. You are apparently the one who can't stand the implication that anyone is worth their salt except Karaya.

I haven't insulted anyone, maybe you should practice what you preach.   I never argued with you, you're a "know-it-all".   You know everything there is to be had about AH.   How can anyone "argue" with that?   

"Fixation"?  "Snipe"?   If you say so, but many on this Forum notice your pattern.   Except yourself.

[BnZs]

Unperk the F4U-1C and you will hear no more arguments from me about giving the XVI a 3-5 perk price tag.  Make it an experiment.  Of course there would be a lot of F4U-1Cs the first month, but once the unwashed masses realize that its cannons won't make them an ace, many would go back to their Spit XVI.

My best guess is that the unperked F4U-1C would have about as many kills+deaths as the P-51D.  It would not equal its previous record because there are many more planes to choose from today.

There are planes which tend to be the vulcher, and planes which tend to be the vulchee. And the picker and the pickee, etc. The vulchee-planes tend to be taken up not because they suck, but because people feel (correctly) they give them the best possible fighting chance against long odds. The vulcher planes come closer to being ones that can't fight well straight off the runway, not invariably but close enough. So in this sense k/d stats can be misleading.

Also, according to k/d stats, the P-38J is far and away superior to the P-38L.

[BnZs]

I haven't insulted anyone, maybe you should practice what you preach.   I never argued with you, you're a "know-it-all".   You know everything there is to be had about AH.   How can anyone "argue" with that? 

This is factually incorrect, I do not know everything. Nor claim to know everything. I simply study the problem if I am going to discuss it. Call me crazy, but I think actually finding out things like relative turn rates/radius and speeds is relevant if you are going to speak about an aircraft's impact. These are things which many others have obviously *not* bothered to do before forming an opinion, and this annoys me.

"Fixation"?  "Snipe"?   If you say so, but many on this Forum notice your pattern.   Except yourself.

I try not to *initiate* personal rancor. Sometimes I'm not good enough to ignore it entirely, this is wrong. You on the other hand, I've noticed a pattern. Other people will be having a reasonably civil discussion, and you will out of the clear blue sky make some remark, invariably along the lines of "Well, you're just the bestest pilot in AH aren't you?". I can't comprehend why you said this to  me, since my piloting not even close to the subject of debate, and I make no bones about being a very average flyer. Not just me, and I don't know why. It's almost as if you can't stand to let anythng go past without reminding everyone "Karaya is superior".

[Kazaa]

The Spitfire Mk IX, XVI and VIII could run 25lbs of boost using 150 octane fuel then?

The performance increase achieved is rather staggering to what we have now at 18lbs of boost.

I would love to see 150 octane fuel used in at least one of our Spitfires to get a “real representation” of what the late war beast was actually capable of. I fear this might unbalance the delicate nature of the plane set though!

[Masherbrum]

This is factually incorrect, I do not know everything. Nor claim to know everything. I simply study the problem if I am going to discuss it. Call me crazy, but I think actually finding out things like relative turn rates/radius and speeds is relevant if you are going to speak about an aircraft's impact. These are things which many others have obviously *not* bothered to do before forming an opinion, and this annoys me.

I try not to *initiate* personal rancor. Sometimes I'm not good enough to ignore it entirely, this is wrong. You on the other hand, I've noticed a pattern. Other people will be having a reasonably civil discussion, and you will out of the clear blue sky make some remark, invariably along the lines of "Well, you're just the bestest pilot in AH aren't you?". I can't comprehend why you said this to  me, since my piloting not even close to the subject of debate, and I make no bones about being a very average flyer. Not just me, and I don't know why. It's almost as if you can't stand to let anythng go past without reminding everyone "Karaya is superior".

I remind no one.   Any post I've put on here says "I suck at this game."   No sarcasm needed, but I and many others laugh at the others "who claim greatness."   

We're having a "debate" here?   Therein lies the crux of the quandary.   

[Kazaa]

I love the quote wars going on between Kara and BnZ lol!

[Anaxogoras]

I love the quote wars going on between Kara and BnZ lol!

I don't even know what started their argument; maybe it was BnZs' claim that people hadn't bothered to inform themselves before giving an opinion, which might be fair enough, but then he followed up with the zinger about intelligence.

This much is true: many of you were surprised to learn that the XVI is faster than the F4U-1C between 3000 and 10000 ft.

[Masherbrum]

I love the quote wars going on between Kara and BnZ lol!

 

[WMLute]

I don't even know what started their argument; maybe it was BnZs' claim that people hadn't bothered to inform themselves before giving an opinion, which might be fair enough, but then he followed up with the zinger about intelligence.

This much is true: many of you were surprised to learn that the XVI is faster than the F4U-1C between 3000 and 10000 ft.

I'll just leave this here.

[Anaxogoras]

I prefer gonzo's because you can compare to the two curves side-by-side, like this:

[WMLute]

What do you see from 3-10k that I seem to be missing.

They appear basically identical to me.

[Anaxogoras]

The XVI is up to 4mph faster within that range.  They are close, yes, but not identical.

See?  I've moved a lot of people from "What are you talking about?!!?  The F4U-1C is faster than the XVI!!!" to "The XVI is not much faster than the F4U-1C, what's your point?!"

[Steve]

I love the quote wars going on between Kara and BnZ lol!

BnZ will argue just for the sake of it. He will argue details of conversatins that have nothing to do with the topic of hand. He is vapid and a complete waste of time. I ignore him now but it seems Karaya hasn't figured this out yet.   

[Kazaa]

At the end of the day our Spitfires are gimp, they need a buff!

[Masherbrum]

BnZ will argue just for the sake of it. He will argue details of conversatins that have nothing to do with the topic of hand. He is vapid and a complete waste of time. I ignore him now but it seems Karaya hasn't figured this out yet.   

I figured it out, I'm through with him as well.   He's argued from day one.