Living forever

[mechanic]

Extending human life?

The original question was about living forever, not adding 10 years to the average human lifespan.

'RE: living forever'

[moot]

Like he said. The two have a corelation (today) but not causation. Growing slabs of meat in a lab could replace fish harvesting.  Or fish populations could simply be better managed. Nothing to do with human lifespan. Anthropomorphic psychobabble is what your arguments boil down in this case and others before it.

Extending human life?

The original question was about living forever, not adding 10 years to the average human lifespan.

'RE: living forever'

It's just a title that puts the subject in a nutshell.

The curious thing here is hearing people's excuses for denouncing a cure for aging. 

[moot]

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[mechanic]

The circle of life is about give and take. You cannot expect to just take indefinitely. For a start, if you were impervious to age you could clearly still be shot or set on fire or hit by a car. What you are suggesting is not only selfish but also full of loopholes for death to catch you out. Or life to make living unbearable.

ignoring this little quote are we, herr moot?

[moot]

I already answered it with a demand for clarification on your math which you "ignored".
1) Define "circle of life". Sounds like more of your fairy tales.
2) Show how increased lifespan "takes", how this inherently unbalances this cycle, and how it does so unethically or against our best interests.
3) If you'd read the thread you'd have seen it's only about curing aging, not making people death proof. Yes, you still die if you're stupid enough to cross the street without looking twice. You also die if you fail to keep proper hygiene.  Or keep yourself in good health as anti-aging treatment would allow.  There's probably ways to upload yourself, or clone yourself, but those are separate and less certain hypothesies, and not the point of the argument.
4) What's your criteria for "selfish" and how does living tally as exceptionally so?
5) What are these loopholes to curing aging?  If that's not just a desperate grasping at straws. Of course not.


6) - This is the only interesting argument. If you can back it up. Go ahead and skip the previous 5. Why would life be unbearable?

[mechanic]

1) We eat chickens. Worms eat us. Chickens eat worms. Simple enough for you?

2) Increased lifespan and to 'cure' age. Very different. You understand what consumption means, so I wont insult your intelligence further by taking this question seriously. We play god enough already, humans make mistakes often.

3) I totaly despise your theory that age is something that needs a cure. Like AIDs or Cancer.

4) Being alive is selfish. Unless you are motionless all day and kept alive by someone else, your every instinct and need is first and formost about maintaining the self in body and mind. Otherwise 'life' would not have happened at all. Multiply how much you have consumed, and how self contained you become when you see 500 years in the same body and mind? Or more?

5) There you go again. Two words. 'Cure' and 'Age' as if it is a perfectly natural idea. Age is to be embraced, treasured, fought against and then finally given in to total peace and death.


6) Who was the last person you loved deeply that suffered some way? I know it was not you, but maybe something can help you grasp what others live with every day.

Failing anything in your life that is full of pain and grief.....how about if someone attacks you tomorrow for your wallet and rips your face off. Burns you, punctures your eyes, burst your ear drums and breaks all your limbs. That is extreme of course, but worse things have happened to people and they survive.
 Sure you could patch yourself up and make the best of it for the next 450 years. Maybe you are that strong. I am not.

I already answered it with a demand for clarification on your math which you "ignored".

I can imagine you having a very succesfull love life when you start using calculus to decide if you love someone or not. Maths is as pointless as time when it comes to the soul.  You just would not understand.

[1pLUs44]

There's a difference between being afraid of dying and being afraid of death. Big difference.

Can you explain, I think I might understand what you're refering to, but I might be on a different page.

Do you mean like, you're afraid of what's going to happen to you after you're dead? And you're afraid because you're dying?

I'd be scared no matter how you put it.

[mechanic]

Everything would be scared if it knew it were dying. Not everything fears the fact that it must die.

[Die Hard]

Can you explain, I think I might understand what you're refering to, but I might be on a different page.

Do you mean like, you're afraid of what's going to happen to you after you're dead? And you're afraid because you're dying?

I'd be scared no matter how you put it.

Mechanic's got the gist of it. To broaden on that: Most people are afraid of dying, me included; it is seldom a pleasant experience, and leaving friends and family behind to fend for themselves can be heartbreaking. However the mere fact that my existence is limited and one day will end is not frightening to me. All living things must die.

[Simaril]

In your avatar: Chamberlain?

Yeah.

Guy who never stopped going out of his way to do the right thing. Took on a job, took it seriously and worked to learn it instead of floating along like most other amateur officers. (During the winter encampment before campaign season got hold of an infantry tactics manual and ran a class in his tent.) Faced impossible situations and just sucked it up and did what had to be done.

An all around class act.

[Die Hard]

Too bad his name was sullied in another war by another Chamberlain.

[texasmom]

The entire choice between DNR & living forever doesn't really match.  Seems like it would be DNR or continue to live; then separately live normal aging lifespan or live forever.

Within the realm of reality ~ I'd DNR anyday over living only by machine.  What's the point of living if you can't live?

Within the realm of fantasy ~ sure, if there was a 'live forever' aging cure ~ yeah, I'd do that.  But I'd have to get a bigger garage. I'm a packrat. Imagine the clutter you can gather when you live forever!

[Anaxogoras]

Fish consumption


Just...fish. Were those fish not once alive and now dead? This is the most simple of things to understand moot, I dont see why you think writing long words covers your lack of comprehension.

Without major changes most commercial fisheries will collapse in the next 40 years or so.  The United States has tougher controls than most other countries (just ask scotch), but most fish stocks are prey to an anything-goes mentality.  With some exceptions, e.g. catfish, fish farming is rather disgusting.  For example, farmed salmon is much higher in polychlorinated biphenyls (known carcinogen) and has higher concentrations of mercury than wild salmon.

So there's another reason why "curing" age is a problem.  We haven't shown an inkling of the concern required for the care of our resources that would be required to extend life.

[Die Hard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4la8Izrwea8

[caldera]

Living forever is way overrated. Always have some tard trying to remove your head with a broadsword.

"There can be only one". Blah, blah, blah. Bollocks.