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Offline garrido

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AH Spit IX is too slow!
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2001, 10:11:00 AM »
Hello friends:

He does not matter to me if in AH appears a Spitfire IX F, LF or HF or a Spitfire XIV, I like to even see them, single I to me request that they model his flight characteristics correctly, the fatigue of the pilot and other things that seem not to matter in this community.
I cannot be thought that the real Spitfire is able to make the things that Spitfire IX does of AH, to raise in ZOOM with little lost one of E, wild acceleration, too much closed and continuous turns if lost appreciable of E, etc etc.
 The Spitfire could not be this way, because otherwise the RAF had won the war in 1942 without North American aid.

To pilot fatigue of and engine model.¡¡¡¡¡¡

 A greeting


  Supongo


Hola amigos:

No me importa si en AH aparece un Spitfire IX F, LF o HF o incluso un Spitfire XIV, me gustaria verlos, yo solo pido que modelen correctamente sus caracteristicas de vuelo, la fatiga del piloto y otras cosas que parecen no importar en esta comunidad.
No me puedo creer que el Spitfire real sea capaz de hacer las cosas que hace el Spitfire IX de AH, subir en ZOOM con poca perdida de E, aceleracion salvaje, virajes demasiado cerrados y continuos si perdida apreciable de E, etc etc. El Spitfire no pudo ser asi, pues de otro modo la RAF hubiese ganado la guerra en 1942 sin ayuda Norteamericana.

Modelen fatiga de piloto y motor.¡¡¡¡¡¡

Un saludo

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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2001, 10:43:00 AM »
double post

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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2001, 10:49:00 AM »
I agree with the pilot fatigue, and the call for more fidelity.

Please disable rudder trim on 109's and model the 109 "left leg syndrome", and relabel the guages in the correct languages and units.

I find it incredible the Lw squeakes squeak about intangibles such as E loss, while obvious and blatant inaccuracies such as Imperial guages and rudder trim stare them in the face every time they step into their plane *and they never say a word* (A question, did the G6 have German gauges, or were they labelled in Finnish?).

They couldn't (and don't) give a monkey's toss about realism or immersion, or they'd be as vocal about these glaring modeling faults with their own rides as they are about picking apart a 1942/43 plane.

Whiners.

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« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Seeker:

Please disable rudder trim on 109's and model the 109 "left leg syndrome

Whiners.

 :D

Now that was good one!

Garrido, anyone can claim anything according to "it can't be", "it must be", "i think it should be", but please show some figures to support spit magic-E. Do some tests like lvl then directly to up, record alt when stalling. Do loops with different speeds.. do just something. IMO it's quite pointless to whine something when you haven't any numbers or evidences to prove it.
Not any harm.


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« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2001, 11:21:00 AM »
Seeker AH's G-2 is Finnish model, Not G-6.

And quit your squeaking whiner.

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« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2001, 11:24:00 AM »
What Supongo/Garrido is saying is that the problem with the AH spitfire is its amazing E-retention, even in the tightest of turns.

Something I agree with. Ive dived at 420 mph on a Spit that was lower than me, gained REALLY fast on him, spit does a very hard turn to evade the bounce, I zoom back up, look behind me and I see the spit reverse his turn, Turn BACK into me real hard, and ZOOM UP and GAIN on my P-38 and get to within d700'ish of me before nosing back down (at which point my speed is about 90 mph as I dangle the nose skyward waiting for spit to nose down).

Now, I dont know WTF is up with that, since when can spits retain SO much E that when they start with slower speed they can turn TWICE at high G's and still have speed to zoom up with a plane that has a significant advantage in zoom and climbing/accel over it?

And the 50 cal loadout..what a joke.

F7F Tigercat and the 12X .303 Hurricane to AH!!!  :D  :D

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« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »
Ah, thanks, knew I'd get that wrong.....

So, was it in German huh? or Finnish? Huh?

This outrageous affront to realism cannot be allowed to stand!

And if it's not fixed by ver. 1.09 I will resort to personal insults AND WRITING IN CAPS111111

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« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »
btw maybe HTC should model throttle/mixture control-levers too.

Hint:kommandogerät

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« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2001, 11:37:00 AM »
Finnish 109s Cockpit. Gauges were metric with original german texts. Only some warning texts were in Finnish.
Over the cannon pod between pilots feet is text "Be carefull when test-flying new Engines".

I would like to see metric gauges in planes which had them historically but HT has stated several times he's not interested to code those.

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« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2001, 11:38:00 AM »
shhhhhhhhhhhh staga..............they want realism in what its interesting FOR THEM  ;).


(P.S. And ammo counters need to be removed from ALL planes...xcept German, of course)

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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2001, 11:43:00 AM »
109G10, 190D9 and 190A8 all out run the Spitfire MkIX currently modelled in AH.

The 109G10 outclimbs the SpitIX easily. The 190D9 easily extends away and zooms up to make another attack.

The 190A8 can run away and re-engage when the Spitfire gives up.

On the deck with an co-e SpitfireMkIX, a 190A5, 109G6 and 109G2 will easily extend away to re-engage later.

The only plane that is slower would be the 109F4, and then it is still faster on the deck.

Atleast one things consistent with the LostWaffles, you guys don't know what the hell you want or what the hell you are complaining about.
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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2001, 11:47:00 AM »
"Please disable rudder trim on 109's and model the 109 "left leg syndrome", and relabel the guages in the correct languages and units."

Seeker friend:

 That suggestion or I have put it in others post (search if it has time) and also the one of good Vista to 6 that it always has the 109 (and the Spitfire also)
 My complaints is for independently improving AH, saying bad and the good thing of any airplane, if it is RAF, LW, USAF or the one that are

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« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2001, 11:49:00 AM »
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Something I agree with. Ive dived at 420 mph on a Spit that was lower than me, gained REALLY fast on him, spit does a very hard turn to evade the bounce, I zoom back up, look behind me and I see the spit reverse his turn, Turn BACK into me real hard, and ZOOM UP and GAIN on my P-38 and get to within d700'ish of me before nosing back down (at which point my speed is about 90 mph as I dangle the nose skyward waiting for spit to nose down).

Now, I dont know WTF is up with that, since when can spits retain SO much E that when they start with slower speed they can turn TWICE at high G's and still have speed to zoom up with a plane that has a significant advantage in zoom and climbing/accel over it?

Well, I've flown a short TOD with the Spitfire IX. I ended with a K/D ratio equal to 66/6 and I can say this: a fast Spitfire IX flying straight level can do a 45-60deg left break turn, build up watch the attacker zooming up, turn (less hard) 45-60deg right and chase the attacker. *But*, IMHO, only if:
- the speed difference berween the two is not enuff,
- the attacker zoom up in a *high* "g" pull up, blowing off too much E,
- the attacker gets below the pray's horyzontal plane (sp?), then blowing off too much E ...

In any other case I've always extended safely from Spitfires even with my C.205. And my stats say it. Try to learn how to extend with a low "g" maneuver.

This is not only a Spitfire issue, this is an FM issue. Actually, it was not possible prior to 1.03 Flight Model. But looks like the prior 1.03 FM was wrong. And this is probably very difficult to judge or fix from our POV's. So, learn to live with it and enjoy  :)
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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2001, 11:56:00 AM »
In all honesty, RAM, I would like to see all and any plane issues fixed, including metric instrumentation, the komando thingy I can't spell and the ammo counters.

However, you'll admit yourself that the LW whining in general is a marked phenomenon in AH (maybe it was in WB too?), even if you probably won't agree that it's wearing in the extreme.

Add to that some salamander calling an icon of my culture and heritage "shitfire" and yes, it goes too far for me.I think you're Spanish, but I'm sure the Yanks would get hot under the collar if I constantly called VN vets baby-killers, or all LW pilots Nazi's. It's an unsessesary offense. I'd use a Spanish example if I could think of one. Does it never occur to any of you guys that some people would fly the Spit if it was the worst dog on the block? Why not? You guys like the A8.....

It'd be so much more believable if you guys could just occasionaly help with pointing out errors or omissions in planes other than Lw, or if you (rightly, in my opinion) asked for inaccuracies such as rudder trim to be removed where inapplicable. But to start whining about a plane which has yet to even be confirmed as to be a future addition - well it's hard to believe the objections are done in the interest of the game.

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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
Now don't turn this topic to "we want more realism" when we should have more speed to spit!  :)

SWulfe is right.
All 109's out run spit ix at the deck!
And proves as follows:
 
 
 
 

Hmmm I have sort of deja-vu here as I'm the only one to post any proves!
And where the h*ll all those ppl went who cried that spit ix is too fast?

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