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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2009, 06:10:51 PM »
I would still like to know why they can't fix a known bug . One they have been aware of for over a year . They won't even reply to an email about it . Is there such a thing as too small ? Just like too big ? IDK but it seems that being unable to reply to questions about it , indicates too small , or just I  don't use it so I don't care .

What is this bug you keep going on about?

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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2009, 06:23:43 PM »
What is this bug you keep going on about?
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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2009, 06:25:47 PM »
It is obvious you are not involved in software development. Your assumption that a entry level coder would speed up development when your coding staff consist of 2 people is greatly flawed.

2nd your assumption that a collage student could assist in flight modeling again is flawed, because flight modeling is not a bottle neck for us.

Artwork is something we have contracted in the past, and may in the furture.

HiTech

How right you are, I know nothing of software development.  I speak not from coding experience, but from a small and well honed experience in owning a business.  In your situation, adding 2-3 more people, ones that know coding, will not hurt in the production of new and the fixing of the old.  

I find it hard to believe that HTC does not have a "bottleneck" of some sort when there are so many things that have been brought forth but yet so few things seem to be addressed, rectified, or added.  AH2 has been around for how long and how many new thing have been added?  it appears that there are so many things that would add *that* much more to the sim, but yet they have been ignored, omitted, or put on the back burner for .. ... .. other projects that have been denoted as more important.  That means there are minor thingsm whatever they may be, that could be tinkered with by an intern.  Oh, and I'd be very willing to bet there are many programming students that could match HTC's ability to code, program, etc.

With the following that AH2 has, one would be inclined to think that HTC would want to be a bit more agressive in releasing new material or improving wha already exists.  Or, on the other hand one could go the complete opposite and say that even though AH2 is where it is at the following is still as large as it is.  But from my point of view, why be happy with same-same and more same?  

Is there anyone out there quick on the draw to say that AH2 could use *nothing* more?
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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2009, 06:34:17 PM »
I'm not "looking" for anything more. I haven't learned what is there all ready and I have been playing for years. I'm also very happy with any update we get as they come more often than a boxed game, at a much cheaper price.

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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2009, 06:37:32 PM »
I'm not "looking" for anything more. I haven't learned what is there all ready and I have been playing for years. I'm also very happy with any update we get as they come more often than a boxed game, at a much cheaper price.

Hmm... Take you monthly fee time the number of months you've been playing.  Is it more than a boxed game?   ;)
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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2009, 06:39:15 PM »
Hmm... Take you monthly fee time the number of months you've been playing.  Is it more than a boxed game?   ;)

If I divide money paid by time actually played... no. :)


Just did a quick calculation. Counting MA time alone I paid 0.08€ for every hour I played AH. Scenarios, snapshots, KoTH, TA come on top of that and would even lower that rate.
A new boxed game would cost me 40€-50€. I would have to play it for at least 500 hours... I can't recall any game since "Elite" that had been that addicting ;)
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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2009, 09:20:49 PM »
I've got a lot more hours into this than any boxed game I have ever played.


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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2009, 09:45:32 PM »
How right you are, I know nothing of software development.  I speak not from coding experience, but from a small and well honed experience in owning a business.  In your situation, adding 2-3 more people, ones that know coding, will not hurt in the production of new and the fixing of the old.  

I find it hard to believe that HTC does not have a "bottleneck" of some sort when there are so many things that have been brought forth but yet so few things seem to be addressed, rectified, or added.  AH2 has been around for how long and how many new thing have been added?  it appears that there are so many things that would add *that* much more to the sim, but yet they have been ignored, omitted, or put on the back burner for .. ... .. other projects that have been denoted as more important.  That means there are minor thingsm whatever they may be, that could be tinkered with by an intern.  Oh, and I'd be very willing to bet there are many programming students that could match HTC's ability to code, program, etc.

With the following that AH2 has, one would be inclined to think that HTC would want to be a bit more agressive in releasing new material or improving wha already exists.  Or, on the other hand one could go the complete opposite and say that even though AH2 is where it is at the following is still as large as it is.  But from my point of view, why be happy with same-same and more same?  

Is there anyone out there quick on the draw to say that AH2 could use *nothing* more?

I know nothing of the coding business either. I do own a small 32000 sq ft fabrication and machine facility. I have 28 employees. I can tell you from experience in my field that kids out of school are not productive. In most cases they are counter productive because they draw one or more hands off their jobs to train them. While anyone from a senior metal tech to the guy sweeping the floors may have a great idea or suggestion, it is an extereme rarity for a greenhorn out of college to hit the ground running in this business.

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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2009, 11:04:09 PM »
Sir Hitech, you metion that you have contracted art work in the past...was just wondering if you would like to contact my x-wife....she was a real piece of ART!
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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2009, 01:21:42 AM »
That may be the best evidence I've yet to find that everyone should be forced to be an intern/low level worker (student or otherwise) at least once in their lives.  It is a fundamentally flawed mind-set, and one coming from someone who has never been in such a position.  Most larger offices are run (day to day tasks) by interns and low level staff.  Senior folks are ultimately responsible for large decisionsand projects, but rarely execute the nitty gritty aspects of them. 

This of course doesn't apply to HTC, since it is a small operation.  Intern labor is not to be underestimated.  You just have to be very selective with your interns, and treat them as you would any other employee.  They will work just as well, and you can get away with paying them 1/3 as much.   :aok

I'm working on a multi million € software for railways system when the team was at it's top we were about 70 and we had some intern (not anymore since we are in MRO now).

As a lead devellopper I can assure you it was a pain to work with intern,between their lack of knowledge of the inner working of the software, lack of knowledge of the way railway people work on the field and finnaly thier lack of experience my productivity was about 1/3 of what it should have been.

Guess what ... I've spent most of the past 2 years trying to be as productive as usual having my work and the interns work to do (a 4 people output to do alone  :aok)

Since I successfully got ride of this "inexpensive help" my hierarchy as come to consider an experienced develloper as being 4 times more productive as in intern but 2 time less costly overall.


It's a question of scalabilty to make an analogy imagine a team of 4 people working on one engine at some time they will be working on the same area creating deadlock.
it's not like industrial production with 4 people working on an assembly line on 4 different engine
The final productivity output is not the same


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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2009, 06:18:46 AM »
I'm working on a multi million € software for railways system when the team was at it's top we were about 70 and we had some intern (not anymore since we are in MRO now).

As a lead devellopper I can assure you it was a pain to work with intern,between their lack of knowledge of the inner working of the software, lack of knowledge of the way railway people work on the field and finnaly thier lack of experience my productivity was about 1/3 of what it should have been.

Guess what ... I've spent most of the past 2 years trying to be as productive as usual having my work and the interns work to do (a 4 people output to do alone  :aok)

Since I successfully got ride of this "inexpensive help" my hierarchy as come to consider an experienced develloper as being 4 times more productive as in intern but 2 time less costly overall.


It's a question of scalabilty to make an analogy imagine a team of 4 people working on one engine at some time they will be working on the same area creating deadlock.
it's not like industrial production with 4 people working on an assembly line on 4 different engine
The final productivity output is not the same



Woaw, thanks for the insight. It was an eye-opener.

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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2009, 06:57:45 AM »
Btw your previous post (as quoted below) is not completely wrong.

You would be surprised of the fresh ideas and outlooks students bring into an office filled with "veterants".

I like fresh idea ,it's the way to follow when working in IT.
Someone not questioning his skills, not trying improving his is skills or not trying to be up to date is IMO a bad IT specialist.
Preconception is something I fight in my team.

The drawbacks exposed by most newbies (in the IT field or elsewhere) is the lack or perception of the big picture or the associated economic cost.

Let me expose an anecdote I've witnessed on one of my previous project (and previous company too :p).

We had an intern (having a master or degree of some sort in optimisation) his assigned task was to identify bottlenecks and so make some propositions of optimisation on the software.
Because of the lack of organisation his work was not really monitored and he had no real lead to follow.

So he started working alone at his desk and 3 months later he presented the result of his hard work : he had successfully optimised some parts of the software increasing performance by a whooping 3000% on some parts as purify and profiler log showed.

But we trashed his work for lot of reasons :
- maintainability  was pretty low (lack of pertinent comments,tricky naming and the general architecture was pretty sub standard)
- but the main reason was : he missed the big picture.
The software was used to control a big machine tool needing a minimal incompressible hardware initialisation of about 3 minutes (for pneumatics and hydraulics) using his optimized software the initiation (for the software part) took about 20 sec a lot less than the 1 minute needed previously (by a fool prof and proved system).

So instead of having the software being idle during 2 minutes the gain was to have it idle 40 seconds more :D

I've still this anecdote in my mind when I'm doing resource management.

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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2009, 08:18:23 AM »
How right you are, I know nothing of software development.  I speak not from coding experience, but from a small and well honed experience in owning a business.  In your situation, adding 2-3 more people, ones that know coding, will not hurt in the production of new and the fixing of the old.  

I find it hard to believe that HTC does not have a "bottleneck" of some sort when there are so many things that have been brought forth but yet so few things seem to be addressed, rectified, or added.  AH2 has been around for how long and how many new thing have been added?  it appears that there are so many things that would add *that* much more to the sim, but yet they have been ignored, omitted, or put on the back burner for .. ... .. other projects that have been denoted as more important.  That means there are minor thingsm whatever they may be, that could be tinkered with by an intern.  Oh, and I'd be very willing to bet there are many programming students that could match HTC's ability to code, program, etc.

With the following that AH2 has, one would be inclined to think that HTC would want to be a bit more agressive in releasing new material or improving wha already exists.  Or, on the other hand one could go the complete opposite and say that even though AH2 is where it is at the following is still as large as it is.  But from my point of view, why be happy with same-same and more same?  

Is there anyone out there quick on the draw to say that AH2 could use *nothing* more?

This has to be one of the most arrogant post I have ever seen.

Your first line.

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How right you are, I know nothing of software development. 

Said it all, it is equivalent to you staying in a Holiday Inn express last night ,and then tell a brain surgery you know more than he about his craft. And then disagree how he does things.

You did not even take the time to read and understand my post.

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I find it hard to believe that HTC does not have a "bottleneck" of some sort

This was not stated in the least, it was stated in regards you your asking about using and intern with flight modeling.

It is again blatantly obvious you have never worked in a creative or engineering environment.

1st I have been programming for 35 years. I have worked in many coding environment from large to small. Your business is simply a process. Sell, fill form, perform claims ....
Your cost structure  ,I would assume, is mostly in the process. I.E. if you wish to grow, it will require more people to perform the process. This is 100% opposite from development where your cost structure occurs from creating and implementing Ideas, and the process cost is almost negligible.

Development and engineering are not a simple process that can be broken into pieces. And as the classic fault listed in the mythical man month , 9 women can not make a baby in a month.

As an example in our current terrain rewrite, I have re written it many times. It is the nature of new development. You can not see all the out comes of such a complex problem until you start implementing it.

With a piece of software on the scale of AH, just learning the lay of the land is huge. The types of software an intern could write, would take longer to document and explain , then simply to have Stewart or I write.

And entry level coder has a basic knowledge of the tools at hand to create programs. He has basic knowledge of some algorithms. He has almost zero knowledge of the pro's and cons of different approaches as they apply to any specific system he would be working on.

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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2009, 08:35:03 AM »
I've posted this question in another thread, but I figured I'd bring it to light out here in the open:

Why does HTC not use and abuse (figuratively) programming students from the local colleges as interens or at minimum cheap labor to correct issues of current game play, help model new aircraft and vehicles, develope new maps, and otherwise have around for other coding issues???  Just curious. 

One would think that the developement of AH2 would be that much progressive if there were more hands on coding.  I'm just saying.  :)

Oh, and before anyone jumps on the "theft of data" concern, there are ways to stop *any* info from being uploaded or sent without the consent of the powers to be (HTC).  While a concern, it would be minimal.

 :O :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I think AH2 is writen in an older version of Microsoft Excel and the new students are not familiar with it.  Maybe they could get some old COBOL programmers instead?

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Re: An Open Question to HTC-
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2009, 08:44:10 AM »
As a lead developer I can assure you it was a pain to work with intern,between their lack of knowledge of the inner working of the software, lack of knowledge of the way railway people work on the field and finnaly thier lack of experience my productivity was about 1/3 of what it should have been.

Well if that is your experience with interns Straffo, then I don't blame you for thinking as you do.  Perceptions are based on experience, after all.  In my experience, I have seen interns out-produce and even out-think (strategically) higher level staff, who simply have a different approach.  Don't get me wrong, there are certainly your waste-of-oxygen ones out there...but you can say that about any position.  Again, just my experience in the matter. 

Don't categorically dismiss them just because you had a couple duds...that's all I'm trying to get at.