Sight tactic for Mossies, 163s...ect

[Die Hard]

Bye. 

[BnZs]

Shooting from the hip is not something you do in real life and expect to hit anything (though it does work as suppressive fire).

If I may interject here, literally "shooting from the hip" is innacurate...BUT...show me the sights on most bows and arrows made before the 20th century . More relevant to aerial gunnery, many shotgunners use a style where they focus entirely on the target and only see the barrel peripherally.

And the cockpits in AHII where you can raise your view position enough to get insane amounts of over-the-nose view are being phased out as they are updated, so this will soon be a non-issue I think.

[Die Hard]

If I may interject here, literally "shooting from the hip" is innacurate...BUT...show me the sights on most bows and arrows made before the 20th century .

Henry had approximately 5,000 archers at Agincourt, and a stock of about 400,000 arrows. They didn't "aim" these arrows, they were volley fired saturating a large area. Mastering the bow and arrow to any kind of "accuracy" was a lifetime achievement, even for the Samurai.

[BnZs]

Mastering the bow and arrow to any kind of "accuracy" was a lifetime achievement, even for the Samurai.

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Uh, no. I could hit a paper plate out to 40 yards with my recurve, back when I was bowhunting. No sights. There are some people who can shoot birds golf-balls, and aspirin tablets out of the air with a bow. Both eyes open, focus on the target. I can still point and shoot a 12'' target reliably out to 15yards with a handgun, no reference to the sights

[Noir]

I'm not sure they had many samurai's in Hastings  , not sure samurai's ever used a bow also

Ok I'm off topic

[Die Hard]

Uh, no. I could hit a paper plate out to 40 yards with my recurve, back when I was bowhunting. No sights. There are some people who can shoot birds golf-balls, and aspirin tablets out of the air with a bow. Both eyes open, focus on the target. I can still point and shoot a 12'' target reliably out to 15yards with a handgun, no reference to the sights

Did you/they use a pre-20th century bow and arrow?

[Die Hard]

I'm not sure they had many samurai's in Hastings  , not sure samurai's ever used a bow also

Ok I'm off topic

You're not sure about a great many things then.

[BnZs]

Did you/they use a pre-20th century bow and arrow?

Recurved bows of composite construction were used well before the birth of Christ. Also, many of these archery feats have been replicated with simple longbows. You saying that it is unusual or especially difficult to achieve accuracy with a bow and arrow simply isn't so...although I guess it depends on how you define "accuracy". Man sized target at 200 yards though? Very doable by a good archer. Many people hunt big and small game successfully with bow and arrow, and like I say, a few can even do things like bring down flushing pheasant reliably enough to not be a fluke. And many of these people use the "instinctive" shooting method, to say nothing of shotgunners who commonly use a similar method for wingshooting. 

Bringing things back to topic, IN *any* kind of close-range shooting of a moving target with significant angular problems to solve, a sight is merely a reference point whose value may be quite limited.

[Masherbrum]

Recurved bows of composite construction were used well before the birth of Christ. Also, many of these archery feats have been replicated with simple longbows. You saying that it is unusual or especially difficult to achieve accuracy with a bow and arrow simply isn't so...although I guess it depends on how you define "accuracy". Man sized target at 200 yards though? Very doable by a good archer. Many people hunt big and small game successfully with bow and arrow, and like I say, a few can even do things like bring down flushing pheasant reliably enough to not be a fluke. And many of these people use the "instinctive" shooting method, to say nothing of shotgunners who commonly use a similar method for wingshooting. 

Bringing things back to topic, IN *any* kind of close-range shooting of a moving target with significant angular problems to solve, a sight is merely a reference point whose value may be quite limited.

BS.   You're trying in vain to "accept" this BS of moving the gunsight mounted on a dashboard.   You think every aviator was like Bob Vila and tore apart the dash during each engagement and shimmed the watermelon out of it accordingly?   

"This is just a game".    When you have to "game the game/cheat/exploit" to win, you're not as good as you think you are.   

[Die Hard]

Man sized target at 200 yards though? Very doable by a good archer.

While moving and against a moving target... I doubt it.

[Wingnutt]

Man sized target at 200 yards though? Very doable by a good archer. Many people hunt big and small game successfully with bow and arrow.

man sized target at 200 yards?  with any consistency??  maybe on a calm day with a rest and a modern crossbow.

and yes, many people hunt with bow and arrow.  and the preferred shooting distance is 20 yards or less, with shots beyond 50 being very rare.

[BnZs]

I was actually more defending the feasibility of shooting with no reference to a gun sight whatsoever. And then, tangentially, the accuracy of bows and arrows.

The cursor thing? It gives no unfair advantage except in old-style cockpits that allow you to raise the head position five feet over or some absurd distance over the nose. Getting around a frame in the forward view you could move your head two inches to see around in RL or with TrackIR is *not* an unfair advantage. Views are one of the many things HTC has done in a basically smarter way than the "Il2" series.

BS.   You're trying in vain to "accept" this BS of moving the gunsight mounted on a dashboard.   You think every aviator was like Bob Vila and tore apart the dash during each engagement and shimmed the watermelon out of it accordingly?   

"This is just a game".    When you have to "game the game/cheat/exploit" to win, you're not as good as you think you are.   

[BnZs]

While moving and against a moving target... I doubt it.

Fortunately, one is not expected to try and shoot down airplanes with a bow and arrow.

[BnZs]

man sized target at 200 yards?  with any consistency??  maybe on a calm day with a rest and a modern crossbow.

and yes, many people hunt with bow and arrow.  and the preferred shooting distance is 20 yards or less, with shots beyond 50 being very rare.

Howard Hill used to do the stunt of shooting several arrows at a target at such a distance and having the last one in the air before the first one struck the target. Of course, he was far beyond merely a good archer.

[Wingnutt]

Howard Hill used to do the stunt of shooting several arrows at a target at such a distance and having the last one in the air before the first one struck the target. Of course, he was far beyond merely a good archer.

yes...  "stunt shooting"... practically indistinguishable from the type used for hunting and war.