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Offline Heater

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Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« on: June 01, 2009, 07:07:22 AM »
01 June 2009
 

Brazil's Air Force says it searching for a missing Air France passenger jet near the the Brazilian island of Fernando do Noronha.

An Air Force spokesman says the search and rescue mission began Monday morning after the jet failed to make regular radio contact.

The Airbus A-330, carrying more than 216 passengers and 12 crew members, was traveling from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

The plane is long overdue for its scheduled (0915 UTC) landing at Charles de Gaulle airport.


http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN0133338520090601


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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 08:07:29 AM »
Apparently it was lost WAY off of Brazil's coastline. In fact it was lost far enough away that planes from Africa are involved in the air search as well. No one really knows where this plane was when it was lost.
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009, 09:10:39 AM »
This is the 3rd "accident" regarding an airliner out of Brazil in recent times.... 
I wouldn't fly in or out of there.......
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 09:12:37 AM »
Quote from: Anodizer on June 01, 2009, 09:10:39 AM
This is the 3rd "accident" regarding an airliner out of Brazil in recent times.... 
I wouldn't fly in or out of there.......

Really? :confused:  I did not know that
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009, 09:35:56 AM »
Not a big fan of Airbus....
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009, 09:44:36 AM »
Quote from: Anodizer on June 01, 2009, 09:10:39 AM
This is the 3rd "accident" regarding an airliner out of Brazil in recent times.... 
I wouldn't fly in or out of there.......

There have been more.  While I might not ride around on some low rent operator I wouldn't think twice about getting on Air France tomorrow.  Nor would I feel bad about hopping on Delta going back down to Sao Paulo.

Quote from: bcadoo on June 01, 2009, 09:35:56 AM
Not a big fan of Airbus....

That's pretty foolish.  The A330 is, aw hell, no point even trying to have a conversation about it.
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 10:15:49 AM »
Quote from: Golfer on June 01, 2009, 09:44:36 AM
That's pretty foolish.  The A330 is, aw hell, no point even trying to have a conversation about it.

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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2009, 11:25:05 AM »
Yup... the airbus did its part. It sent automated messages reporting electrical problems and cabin pressure drop. Seems it went into a storm. It would have to be unusually bad to bring down a big bird like that.
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2009, 11:36:44 AM »
It must have been something catastrophic that happened very quickly to have kept the crew from sending out a distress message. unless the "circuitry" failure had something to do with the A/C radio's.
IIRC the alert msgs that planes send to their respective HQ's work on a separate system than the regular radio equipment.

It's also pretty unusual for a commercial jetliner to experience problems at cruising attitude. If or When they find her it will probably take years if ever to know what happened
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2009, 11:56:33 AM »
Quote from: Anodizer on June 01, 2009, 09:10:39 AM
This is the 3rd "accident" regarding an airliner out of Brazil in recent times.... 
I wouldn't fly in or out of there.......

Actually Brazilian pilots are awful good. A lot of weather and flying in bad conditions. I used to fly around down there on business a bit and was always impressed with them. The real question I have is the plane itself. I never understood how a pilot could "break" a functional airframe just by using the rudder (AA 587)...been leary of the airbus ever since. My guess is upset/unusual attitude followed by catastrophic failure of the airframe...
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2009, 12:09:12 PM »
It's looking like over 200 people have died  , I would like to think that until the crash report is published everyone could keep their own feelings regarding airbus/Brazil   to themselves.
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2009, 12:24:33 PM »
Humble, that happened due to constant pressure exerted onto the vertical stab by vicious rudder movement. You try holding up a piece of carbon fiber in 240 MPH winds.
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2009, 12:34:53 PM »
Quote from: Denholm on June 01, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
Humble, that happened due to constant pressure exerted onto the vertical stab by vicious rudder movement. You try holding up a piece of carbon fiber in 240 MPH winds.

However...  The flight system was supposed to prevent that.
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2009, 12:45:53 PM »
The official NTSB report of October 26, 2004 states that the cause of the AA 587 crash was the overuse of the rudder to counter wake turbulence. The A300 had accidentally flown trough the wake of a 747 and the 1st officer was incorrectly using the rudder in an attempt to stabilize the plane.
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Re: Air France Jet Missing Off Brazil Coast
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2009, 12:49:55 PM »
Quote from: rabbidrabbit on June 01, 2009, 12:34:53 PM
However...  The flight system was supposed to prevent that.

The computers are not in control of external forces acting on the plane. In this case the wake turbulence of a B747.
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