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Offline stodd

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2009, 10:34:00 AM »
Don't think we need a 3rd LW. Seems like EW could be replaced tho.

A two country MW would be great!  :aok :aok :aok

A ranked arena would be cool.You'd need to be an accomplished Sim pilot to enter and might be determined by LW MW fighter and or Attack rank. Under 500 you get in
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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2009, 10:52:07 AM »
I can see how the word ranked could make you laugh but I couldn't think of a way to keep MA/Da gangtards out and the good guys in. Waste of time I suppose  :frown:

Still think it'd be cool to have a Roscoroo type arena set up that had rules we could follow. King of the Hill works but an event, not an arena.

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2009, 01:01:56 AM »
The lack of popularity of the other arenas might suggest that HTC thinks the customer wants them even though the customers are asking for something else:uhoh  I know that a few of you are agasp, but it is possible.

How long untill a different arena will be presented?

If all you can say is "We already have x many arenas why add more??"  At least give a reason they should be kept.  Use the glorious "human nature" argument and tell me why they are necessary when they are hardly populated with more than a dust fart.




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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2009, 05:46:24 AM »
Hummm,....

Well let's take it slow and start from the beginning. Try and think of what we liked and how or why that changed. My time line might not be exact but I'm sure I'll get some help on that.

I want to say first that I know many of the people in AH don't read these boards and of the ones who do, only a handful really do post here so that may be a problem. The ones who do post are mostly long timers, or at least remember how things used to be and what it was we used to really like about the game.

That I remember, in Ah1 we had a different type of crowd..that would probably be the biggest difference I think. The evolution and popularity of online games has grown considerably. Almost anyone can get on now and find a favorite game to play with the majority of them being of a younger generation.

I also remember we used to like the DA, it had it's purpose and was very fun to visit. That changed with the dismantling of H2H which not long after made a huge difference in game play, not only there but in the main as well.

We used to have only one arena to play in and I'm not sure exactly when Mid War started but a lot of people really liked going there.

There was some complaining that there was a lot of score hoarding going on in MW to build perks for LW so the scoring for the arenas were split. For the most part MW was a great place to go and I can remember many good posts about it.

After the split tho, many people just left to play in LW which was good in a way for all those dedicated MW people. MW for a good while was a great place to find some great fights and quite a few people switched between the LW and MW arenas. I think good fights might be the key word here.

It became apparent that a new arena should be opened and we got both orange and blue for LW. People complained about the maps and wanted some of the older large ones to be re installed and what a relief that was. This of course allowed even more players to join and HTC grew.

Over the months people began complaining again as always but i think it all comes back to missing the good fights whether it was in TT, FT or the smaller maps. What I notice about the posts over the last couple years is that people want to go back to the way it was while others who have no idea what we are talking about think things are fine just the way they are.

Many posts are about fair game play while others are about respect. There have also been many post about wanting a new area to play in to conduct such types of game play. FSO, AVA, SEA, KOTH and the snap shots I believe were all created out of what the players were always asking for and had wanted something better. They are all mostly rule oriented games to play but none are a daily fixture and some are to stringent in rules to be so. One life games won't work of course on a daily basis.  AVA was a good idea but doesn't work for why I don't know? Close but no cigar I think.

A new arena would be cool but that would mean throwing out the old to make room for the new.

I think changing MW to a two sided arena while keeping it's full plane set IS a good idea.

Orange would stay of course but is in need of some CM changes.

Blue in it's own way is somewhat close to what MW used to be IMO. This is the arena that I think would benefit htc most from by making experimental changes to it. It's a perfect place to do that with but the changes have got to be good.

Maybe a poll from HTC would be in order. The last one that I remember was about a WWl arena being added. How bout one asking if a non score non base take arena is needed....or something on those lines. Basically a fighter map of some sort.

Whether good or bad,  thats all I got so flak on or whatever your going to do.


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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd arena?
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2009, 07:10:41 AM »
Id enjoy an Ndiesel. :aok
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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd arena?
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2009, 08:15:08 AM »
Had some fun on there tonight, Pigs on the Wing owned TT :rock

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2009, 09:02:49 AM »
I think the split to the different "types" (EW, MW, LW)of arenas was to give players more options. People who like early war birds would have a place to fly without getting hammered by the late war birds all the time, and so on. We always had AvA, but it was called the Combat arena back then.

  • Special Event Arenas - Used for a number of events, Scenarios, FSO and the like. Well populated by a dedicated crowd.
  • AvA (Axis vs Allies) - 2 country arena with set plane sets changed often. The idea is to simulate periods/fronts of WWII as mini scenarios with out the "scenario objectives". Lightly attended, due more than likely to skill being a major factor in fighting there (no longer able to save your bacon due to an uber ride). Also "Regulars" come off sounding like "prim-a-donnas" turning people off from flying there.
  • Early War Arena - Was set up for those wishing to fight early war birds with out having to always fight late war birds. Used for perk farming, and getting your name on the HT website at the end of the month as one of the "top players" by score. Lightly attended, hit or miss on fights. Sometimes they will fight you for the bases, other times they will jump to the other front knowing you can't change teams due to the time restrictions so they will run unopposed untill you can.
  • Mid War Arena - Set up for those wanting to fight mid war time birds with out having to fight the late war birds all the time. Lightly attended, by a dedicated group. Again, skill may be an issue with turning some people away (the old "I can't compete with those guys" excuse), and the lack of a crutch in the uber rides. Lately has become used as a perk farming arena more and more.
  • Late War Arena - Originally was set up to have only the late war rides, but lack of players in EW prompted complains from many that they would like to be able to fly them in LW as well....just to have someone to fight. Most populated arena due to the uber rides. Most players believe that you MUST have the fastest plane with the biggest guns to win the fight. As popularity of on line games increased, more and more people joined AH. The increase in population caused stagnation in the arena as well as contributing to a poor community type atmosphere. HTC split the LW arena into two arenas to combat this. "Herd mentality" causes everyone to populate one arena to its max, and then the "over flow" uses the second arena. HTC adds the dynamic caps to regulate "how" the arenas are populated, trying to increase the population "equally" between the two arenas. It works, but does have some limitations. 

Each of the arenas has it following even if it is "the name in lights boys" in EW. Removing any of the arenas they have now is going to effect one group or another. Adding a third arena for late war right now isn't going to do anything to "ease the pressure" on Orange. People have already proven that they have to play where everyone else is playing by the number of people complaining about NOT being able to get into orange, and by those saying how long they sit in the login screen trying to log into orange instead of just going "instantly" to blue. Adding "red" isn't going to change that. I hope for HTC sake that there will be another LW arena because at that time it will mean that 2 LW arenas will not be enough to hold all of the players WITHOUT falling into that "poor community" type arena again.

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2009, 11:18:28 AM »
Very well said Fugitive.  I merely meant this third LW arena would be LIKE the two others, but it would have popular maps running instead of the less flown ones.  With a couple of changes from the other two that could maybe draw a crowd.  After flying in Blue on the Ndisles map I realize maybe it wouldn't be that populated and maybe its an overall bad idea.


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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2009, 11:25:58 AM »
Still think it'd be cool to have a Roscoroo type arena set up that had rules we could follow.
Those fights were awsome however, think about those players that were involved in it, I dont think most of em are under 500 rank.
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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2009, 01:01:18 PM »
Those fights were awsome however, think about those players that were involved in it, I dont think most of em are under 500 rank.  

I think the majority of players that attended that night had under a 500 fighter or attack rank Stodd. I was not speaking of over all rank. Either way it probably would not work...I just thriough it out there.


Nice write up Fugitive

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2009, 02:03:54 PM »
I think the majority of players that attended that night had under a 500 fighter or attack rank Stodd. I was not speaking of over all rank. Either way it probably would not work...I just thriough it out there.

Nice write up Fugitive

Make an arena that requires a 500 fighter or attack rank to qualify and I think you guarantee gameplay would suffer.

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2009, 02:24:35 PM »
Very well said Fugitive.  I merely meant this third LW arena would be LIKE the two others, but it would have popular maps running instead of the less flown ones.  With a couple of changes from the other two that could maybe draw a crowd.  After flying in Blue on the Ndisles map I realize maybe it wouldn't be that populated and maybe its an overall bad idea.


Cant blame me for trying. :(

I don't blame anyone for trying. I don't think Hitech does either. Some idea may look great when you first look at them, but once you "flesh them out" it doesn't pan out the way you though. I love reading well thought out suggestion, no matter how far fetched they might be. A really good idea may come from a really stupid sounding one. Never be afraid to try.

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2009, 08:39:18 PM »
Those fights were awsome however, think about those players that were involved in it, I dont think most of em are under 500 rank.  :rock Hey Junky I beat your record hehe died with 26.
But you died!!! haha :D I loved the remarks made by people after I landed my 23,"camp tard" or something like that,fact is the tanks had to drive to us and I know i killed like 8 different people at least, no skill aye :rock
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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2009, 09:12:30 PM »
Everyones a hater if you land kills in a gv you HAD to have been camping.....forget em.

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Re: Hitech pros and cons of a 3rd LW arena?
« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2009, 04:28:43 PM »
Because the MA is mostly made up by a new player generation that never has seen "tank town" in action. Trinity was gone for about 3 years, and TT on NDisles went down about 2 years ag- That's a friggin long time for a video game.
When Trinity came up again I was very exstatic, I jumped immediately to the TT area. But other than me, only about a half dozen "vets" were there. Some of us tried to start a good battle again a few times, but it wasn't possible with so few players.

I'm very sad about it, and I miss the action there a lot.  :(

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