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[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Correct me if I am wrong, but, in the 'L' model P38, didn't they just 'prevent' compression by adding the air brake, thus not allowing the pilot to compress?  Or did the L model actually allow the P38 driver to indeed go faster in a dive?

Seems to me that the 109's best dfense from swarming allied fighters was to dive away, and they were successful in doing so many times in books I've read.

They started with the P-38J fixing compression by adding a dive flap that re-routed the air flow over the elevator making it more effective. In previous versions, tail buffet and extreme sluggishness in were expirenced over (I think) 375 MPH.

Once the dive flap was installed, besides stabalizing and adding control while diving, it pushed the nose up 10-20 degrees upon being engaged. The tail buffet was fixed by adding fillets to the tail, I think. The Fowler flaps also cause nose pitch changes upon engagment and retraction, neither of which I have seen yet.

At the least it should have good dive acceleration, below it's mach number. It's combined weight and level acceleration would at least suggest this.

AH seems to have some strange quirks with the 38L's flight model, which I guess could very well be how the real one behaved, but I've noticed sometimes it "torques" and it's departure characteristic are very strange. I do know that once it has fully left flight it could be a hand full because of the counter-rotating gyro-like engines and the tendency to go into flat spins, but departure comes without much warning and it "torques" over sometimes much like an F4U does when stalling.

- Jig

[juzz]

I've found the P-38 in AH to stall as flat as a pancake. But, eventually, it does drop a wing - and then it spins pretty fast. But recovery is easy, unless you just let it keep going.

You can do some really controlled "snap rolls" in the P-38.  

[Fishu]

I'd like to see Ta-152H for luftwaffe.
It was as rare as F4U-C or N1K2.
(Or how about He-162, over 200 pieces made)
Fw190D-9 is too used and it would anyway be a rock to fly, so why not to get some D12/D13/T152 to have some benefit of the rock (read benefit as in speed).

Oh, by the way Hristo, Pirado is still alive and wants to send greets  

[funked]

D-12 and D-13 were prototypes only AFAIK.  Just go with Ta 152H - we KNOW that was produced.

[Vermillion]

Fishu, not true on the "rarity" of the Ta-152H.

I did a big writeup on the production Ta-152's a while back, but in short.

2 Ta-152C's
46 Ta-152H's (most if not all were H0's) ie No GM1/MW50.

200 F4U-1C's.
458 N1K2's.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[Major Tom]

I'd love to see some more wooden british wonders...

Right in my gunsights that is!

[juzz]

As for "speed benefit" - the D-12, D-13 and Ta-152H are SLOWER than the D-9 until you get to 20,000ft or more.

[fd ski]

Our poor Drsoya is misjudging what we have in WB as Spitfire 14 for something correct.
Couldn't be further from the truth.

Spitfire 14 in WB has some serious problems.
Personally i think it had its nuts cut for "playblance" sake.
While it had some torque issues in reality, they surely weren't as bad as what we have in warbirds. That plane can't even roll to the left, at any speed  
Mustang will outmanouver it in most cases, and 109k can have pretty good turnfight with spit 14 in WB. ( i know, i've done it, in 109   )

That's surely not a correct representation
Read the Bombscoe report :
"Turning Circle- The turning circles of both aircraft are identical. The Spitfire Mk XIV appears to turn slightly better to port than it does to starbord. The warning of an approaching high
speed stall is less pronounced in the case of the Spitfire Mk XIV. "

And overall evaluation:
"Conclusions- All-round performance of the Mk XIV is better than the Mk IX at all heights. In level flight it is 25-35 mph faster and has a correspondingly greater rate of climb. Its
manoeuvrability is as good as a Mik IX. It is easy to fly but should be handled with care when taxying and taking off. "

From : http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14pt.html

Spitfire 14 in WB can be only conisdere correct if it has 2 500lb bombs attached and cliped wings missing from the artwork  



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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

[fd ski]

check out the numbers on this puppy  
 http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit8.html

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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

[Pongo]

Fd ski.
That would be the worst thing that could be done in my opinion. Put a plane in the game that looks like a spit XIV but does not perform like it.
I have never read anything bad about the handling of the spit XIV, they added the bigger tail to the later marks for some reason...but the pilots seemed to love the XIV.

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by DrSoya:
Being too good should have nothing to do with it. It's a 1944 RAF plane. Period.

It has everything to do with it. Where people got the impression that the XIV is some uncontrolable monster is beyond me. If introduced right now it would be the fastest best climbing best diving nearly hardest hitting nearly best turning poor rolling aircraft in the game.
Spit Vb is not nearly so bad as made out in some of these postes either. And saying the SpitIX is useless is silly.

[Rocket]

I believe the LW should get another couple of planes including a 262.  But I think the problem with the LW lies in the fact that the great demented mind of Hitler killed the LW in the late stages of the war.  By imposing restrictions that held the idea that planes should be able to be multi-roll really hurt.  The LW started with a huge advantage and an early war plane set will really show this. But by the end of the war the allies, especially the US and Russia had the advantage.  Nearly unlimited resources, the man/woman power to pump out the numbers. And the idea of playing catchup caused the allies to design and keep designing for faster better planes.  By the closing stages of the war the allies had much better planes in the air.

If Hitler had let the designers build planes for fighting and planes for bombing then the LW would have been a much deadlier opponant and the war would have gone on longer.  There is no doubt in my mind that the German designers had the best ideas and frames that could be designed but command staff wouldn't listen.

I think that when we start seeing perk planes that you will have some of the few models made LW iron to play in.  I don't think some of the prototypes should be allowed to fly all the time in the arena as it would make it unflyable for anyone but LW types  
I think that when the early war planes are modeled that the LW will shine strongly against just about anything the allies can throw in the air.

I am just rambling a bunch here more than anything but trying to get this out for ppl to think about.  The LW had at one time the best airforce around but Hitler in is wisdom couldn't see the advantage in that late in the war  

S!

Rocket

[Hristo]

It was there. No argue about that.

Model it, along with the Dora.

Thanks

[Rocket]

And Hristo for the D9 we really have to push for the red panties  
I would spend a tour with that for a main ride <with the exception of squad meetings> if it had the red and white underbelly !  

S!
Rocket

[jmccaul]

I assume that all LW pilots who are against introducing the spit 14 are even more veamently opposed to introducing the 262 ?

Am i right ?  

[This message has been edited by jmccaul (edited 07-09-2000).]