Author Topic: From AH LW type (Read 3241 times)

Yeager · « **Reply #45 on:** July 10, 2000, 02:09:00 PM »

I really enjoy you LW types.

It is good to have bad guys to kill!

Cyas!

Yeager

Pongo · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2000, 02:40:00 PM »

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Originally posted by mx22:
Pongo,

You are now flying German planes with no realibility issues whatsoever. I think it was JG26 book, where I read that many latewar German planes were rather dangerous to fly because of poor manufacturing. So before you scream anything else, think if you want your BF109G10 quit on you every other mission.

mx22

Of course you are right MX. The Axis would be hardest hit by reliability issues. But I was replying to Funkeds 262 count wich was low only because of reliability issues. Which would not apply here. I was not very serios....

Pongo · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2000, 02:42:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan:

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Where the Spit XIVs doing anything but landing patterns befor the V1s showed up? Which was end of June right..
Pongo, are you being deliberately insulting?The history of 322 (Dutch) squadron website at http://user.online.be/ragas/airwar/322operations.html
shows that 322 sqd recieved Spit 14s on 10.3.44 (10 March to Americans). They reequiped with Spit IXs in Aug 44. The operations log shows the following entries
Month Flights Op Flying hours
March 44       30       37      escorte and patrols
April 44       108       105      scrambles and defence patrols
May 44          517       649      scrambles, defence patrols and fighter sweeps
June 44          691       851      defence patrols and anti-diver patrols
July 44         1030      1137      anti-diver patrols
Aug. 44          580       881      anti-diver patrols and escort
Looks like more than landing patterns to me. ^10 sqd equiped with Spit XIVs in Jan, so their "Landing patterns" would have started earlier.
Contrary to what you seem to want to believe, the RAF flew and fought actively over Europe for the first half of 44 as well as the second. They didn't simply sit around waiting for the V-1s to arrive.

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No I was being deliberatley silly...

BTW doesnt say how many they lost to V1s..

jmccaul · « **Reply #48 on:** July 10, 2000, 03:03:00 PM »

OK then the LW should get dora, 262, Ta 152 etc. but no fuel and poor reliability.

The allies will in return get huge numerical superiority and control of the skys. Leading to a massive vulch fest.

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MANDOBLE · « **Reply #49 on:** July 10, 2000, 03:10:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Hristo:

I want to make 1 ping kills on cannon Hogs.
Surelly you will need a long burst ...

I want to HO more than GTR.
Impossible

And I bet you those 103 or 108 will be sincrhonized with engine fans porking the ROF

Hristo · « **Reply #50 on:** July 10, 2000, 10:38:00 PM »

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Originally posted by jmccaul:
OK then the LW should get dora, 262, Ta 152 etc. but no fuel and poor reliability.

The allies will in return get huge numerical superiority and control of the skys. Leading to a massive vulch fest.

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However, do not forget to model various degrees of experience. Luftwaffe pilots will be allowed to fly the sim for years (Spanish experience even), while opportunists make 1 tour and are rotated back home.

Torque · « **Reply #51 on:** July 11, 2000, 12:42:00 AM »

Hmmmm so are the Allies gonna get planes right up to the time we nuked Japan?Muhahahahahahahaha! Enola Gay has been spotted circling Berlin.

Don't look into the flash.

Hristo you saying Gerry needs more fly'n time to get prepared?I mean didn't the LW have a 4-5 year jump on all other countries in production of military ACs and training of pilots.What type of AC did Allies have in 1949-50.Hmmm never a level field lol.......

<cough> Super Sabre <cough>

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Hristo · « **Reply #52 on:** July 11, 2000, 01:22:00 AM »

Well, in case someone pull numerical superiority and better quality factor, this might be the first answer

Allied pilots should be allowed to fly only for a few months, then rotating back to home or to some staff duties

Luftwaffe pilots should not have such experience limit and will be allowed to fly AH until they die

They will also get very unexperienced newbies, I agree.

Similar with bomber crews and number of missions before going back home.

Meanwhile, swarms of newbies will take their place, flying overweight planes with DTs and full tanks deep into enemy territory to fight the Luftwaffe.

If LW pilot bails, he can fly another mission. If an opportunist bails, he is captured and not able to fly AH again.

No radar and observers for the Allies, while Luftwaffe has all of them.

What do you think the outcome will be ?

Sorry, just kidding, but that's the answer to Vulch/Lack of fuel arguments

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Fishu · « **Reply #53 on:** July 11, 2000, 04:54:00 AM »

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Originally posted by mx22:
Pongo,

You are now flying German planes with no realibility issues whatsoever. I think it was JG26 book, where I read that many latewar German planes were rather dangerous to fly because of poor manufacturing. So before you scream anything else, think if you want your BF109G10 quit on you every other mission.

N1K2s would have water as their gas in that case...

Hristo · « **Reply #54 on:** July 11, 2000, 06:08:00 AM »

I remember reading that quality control in German aircraft industry remained rigorous right to the end.

Besides, Luftwaffe never lacked planes, but pilots.

Even fuel was not the issue as some here are trying to suggest.

Ever heard of poor quality Daimler Benz ??? Unrealiable BMW ? Focke Wulf losing parts ?! Sheesh !

Vermillion · « **Reply #55 on:** July 11, 2000, 08:27:00 AM »

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N1K2s would have water as their gas in that case...

They already do Fishu

Thats why it has such poor top speed even though it has a 2000hp radial on it. The performance tests were conducted with 85 octane gas, that had pine tree oil additive, which was pretty much the standard Japanese aviation gasoline at that point in the war.

A post war test in the US of a Ki-84 (same engine as the N1K2), using 100 octane avgas, produced a top speed of 427 mph. But its "official" top speed, and of course the speed it will be modeled in AH, is somewhere in the 380's.

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mx22 · « **Reply #56 on:** July 11, 2000, 08:37:00 AM »

Hristo,

They had more planes, then pilots no questions here. From what I remember, problem was with engines breaking down on their first flgiht. In US new planes will be test flown before arriving in fighting squadrons, not so in Germany during late stages of the war.
Unreliable BMW engines? Heheh I'm not a fan of 190s, but even I know it took them a while to stop that engine form overheating in early models.

mx22

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Toad · « **Reply #57 on:** July 11, 2000, 09:02:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Hristo:

...while opportunists make 1 tour and are rotated back home.

This "opportunist" thing keeps cropping up.

I looked it up, and an opportunist is "one who takes advantage of opportunities or circumstances with little regard for principles or ultimate consequences."

So, I guess Allied pilots:

1. Take advantage of opportunities/circumstances to shoot other people down.

2. Don't care about all those chivalry and "blond knights of the air" principles.

3. Just dive right in, no matter what the odds.

Well, OK... I can live with that.

But tell me, how would they then be different from the non-allied fliers in this game?

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Jigster · « **Reply #58 on:** July 11, 2000, 11:45:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Hristo:
Well, in case someone pull numerical superiority and better quality factor, this might be the first answer

Allied pilots should be allowed to fly only for a few months, then rotating back to home or to some staff duties

Luftwaffe pilots should not have such experience limit and will be allowed to fly AH until they die They will also get very unexperienced newbies, I agree.

Similar with bomber crews and number of missions before going back home.

Meanwhile, swarms of newbies will take their place, flying overweight planes with DTs and full tanks deep into enemy territory to fight the Luftwaffe.

If LW pilot bails, he can fly another mission. If an opportunist bails, he is captured and not able to fly AH again.

No radar and observers for the Allies, while Luftwaffe has all of them.

What do you think the outcome will be ?

Sorry, just kidding, but that's the answer to Vulch/Lack of fuel arguments

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But alas you forget multiple tours, escape and evade, and the allied pilots are getting trained by veterans. Then there's window, and finding luftwaffles isn't very hard. Just follow the nearest bomber formation as it's turning back home from a bombing run.

And if you ask me it's alot more of an opportunist to attack torn apart planes that have gone through hundreds of flak batteries then it is attacking a fully capable plane that is only a bail away from safety.

- Jig

jmccaul · « **Reply #59 on:** July 11, 2000, 01:16:00 PM »

Ok Hristo as long as everyonme gets just one life.

But to represent a realistic enviroment i.e. one with a 262 you would have to give superiority of the sky to the allies.

You are talking about representing realistic careers and if you wanted to do that it would require 1 kill and your dead.

I am not arguing against a 262 i would just like to see it restricted. The truth if the meteor was a LW plane it would have seen plenty of action the reason it didn't was cicumstances (a meteor squad was based in holland in the war). The reason therefore they should have equal status perk wise is you want the 262 but you do not want it in the circumstances that meant it saw action.