The Perk Planes

[SpyHawk]

Okay, a couple of things

1: I thought the perk planes were going to be given to the underdogs? The country getting gang banged or outnumbered by 4:1 in the arena? Giving Perk Planes to the guys that are already winning is just, stupid! It would kill the balance. I garuntee I'd cancel my account if they screw this up (not that they have screwed anything else up, but this would be a tripple whammie).

2: The Bearcat only belongs in "what if" 1946 scenario arenas. And not even as a Perk Plane in the MA.

I say the most uber non-perk planes should be

US: F4U-4 and -4B (Or the cooler FAA paintjob as Corsair III)

Commonwealth: Spit Mk.XIV

Soviet Union: La-7

Germany: Dora-9

Japan: Ki-84

[RAM]

La7? LOL
Dora9? LOL!!!!

ok then give me a Ta152C, no perks in it.

If HT perka D9 Im out from AH, at once. And I mean: at once. I dont like the perk system itself but I admit that if we want latewar stuff we need such a system...a system that hinders the unbalancing planesand vehicles... Such planes/vehicles would be:

P47M or/and N
P51H
Ta152H or/and C
F8F
SpitfireXIV or/and XXI
Ki100
Do335
Meteor
Me262
He162
Me163
B29
TigerII
Pershing
IS-2
Ar234
etc etc etc

Why do you perk D9? because it is better than P51D?...it is better than P51 in SOME regards. SpitXIV is better than P51 in ALL regards except fuel endurance (not so big problem). and it turns like a SpitIX. is like having a stable, faster,better climber 109G10 with the turn of a spitfire. That plane is simply a MONSTER.

I agree that RAF pilots have a basically 1942 plane as SpitIX (still I think it is a 1944 spitIX). So what about a Spit VIII for you?   It is faster than SpitIX but without reaching the incredible performance of SpitXIV.

So I say, if you perk D9, then perk P51D. if that isnt done then I'm out from AH at once.

<PUNT>


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 07-14-2000).]

[SpyHawk]

No, you missunderstand me. What I said was NONPERK Dora-9 and La7.

[SpyHawk]

What the hell does Punt mean anyway?

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by SpyHawk:
Okay, a couple of things

1: I thought the perk planes were going to be given to the underdogs? The country getting gang banged or outnumbered by 4:1 in the arena? Giving Perk Planes to the guys that are already winning is just, stupid! It would kill the balance. I garuntee I'd cancel my account if they screw this up (not that they have screwed anything else up, but this would be a tripple whammie).

2: The Bearcat only belongs in "what if" 1946 scenario arenas. And not even as a Perk Plane in the MA.

I say the most uber non-perk planes should be

US: F4U-4 and -4B (Or the cooler FAA paintjob as Corsair III)

Commonwealth: Spit Mk.XIV

Soviet Union: La-7

Germany: Dora-9

Japan: Ki-84

1 was a notion I had that was never picked up by pyro, his scheme is you earn perk planes over the long run and then spend perk points to fly them.

2
Really just depends on how good each plane is. Probably best to just put the planes in the MA till there performance is Ironed out and then Pyro can decide if they should be perk planes. If they start perk planes it would take too long to boil down the flight models.

[mx22]

Why should I settle for SpitVIII, a 1943 design, when you will be be flying late 1944 designs??? SpitXIV was introduced BEFORE Fw190D and just because it's good, it doesn't mean you should whine and not let me fly it.
Point is, if you want Dora, make sure that late war Spitfire and other countries' late war planes make it into the arena on the same basis.

[Nashwan]

I'd settle for the Tempest and Spit VIII with 150 octane fuel.
I wouldn't be happy if the Spit XIV is the best perk plane the RAF get however, not if other perks are P51H, P47N and Ta152H. In that case the RAF would need at least Spit 21 or Fury, or better yet Spiteful.

[Torque]

Hope they model the Avro Arrow too!!!
Now what's this all aboot?

[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 07-14-2000).]

[RAM]

   

Originally posted by mx22:
Why should I settle for SpitVIII, a 1943 design, when you will be be flying late 1944 designs??? SpitXIV was introduced BEFORE Fw190D and just because it's good, it doesn't mean you should whine and not let me fly it.

False , the reason for people wanting it perked because its TOO GOOD . Who cares if it was in service before or after D9? what its important here is that the monster would unbalance the arena. IF you want your sPitXIV ok get it and fly it against the rest of the people flying SpitXIVs. I dont mind because I wont be here to laugh at the pathetic spectacle of an one plane arena.

   

Point is, if you want Dora, make sure that late war Spitfire and other countries' late war planes make it into the arena on the same basis.

Ok then give me a ME262 or shut the hell up.

(BTW me262 wouldnt be half unbalancing than SpitXIV).



[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 07-14-2000).]

[Zigrat]

Bah, both the D9 and the spit XIV should not be perk planes, this is silly talk. They should be regular arena planes, along with the KI-84 and the Yak 3.

Perks should be like the Komet, the  Ta152, The P47M, etcera.  (i heard the p47m could climb almost 5000 feet/min!)

Anyways i reallly want komet   Will be fun to kill b17s rocketing straight up and raking their bellies with 30mm

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
The P47M, etcera.  (i heard the p47m could climb almost 5000 feet/min!)

SURPRISE! the SPit XIV climbs better!

And turns better!
and at most altitudes is FASTER!
and accelerates better!
and keeps E better!
and zooms better!
Dunno if it dives better   but it should be near

So you perk P47M...then why dont you perk Spit XIV?

[Zigrat]

Ram i dont believe plane "goodness" should be a factor for perking. It should be totally up to how many were produced in wartime, and how much combat they saw. For this reason i think the 262 should also not be perk, it saw quite a lot of action. The ta152 did not see lotsa action, so it should be perked. The spit XOV was operational for more than a full year of the war, it should not be perk. The F4u-1c should be relegated to perk, less than 200 were made. But then the f4u-4 should be introduced to the general planeset if the f4u-1c is to be perked, since many f4u-4s fought in the late war in the pacific. Just because the brits made a superior fighter doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to use it.

[fdiron]

P47M is faster, thats what matters.

[RAM]

   

Originally posted by Zigrat:
Ram i dont believe plane "goodness" should be a factor for perking.

Then I cant agree with your point of view. If the F4U4,Spitfire XIV, P47M,Me262...etc arent perked what is the use in flying a me109G2? and a Fw190A8?...why a C205? why a typhoon? why a P47D? why a P51D?...All the current planeset will be unfliable against the latewar monsters.
 
You say that the difference between perk planes and non perk planes should be sheer numbers. THat isnt fair...

F4U4, SpitXIV, P47m, P47n, etc etc etc...the reason because those planes were widely built is because USA and Britain had better industry last days of the war because germany had serious troubles because strategic bombing. So they could build a lot of planes of their latest models while Germany and Japan were in serious trouble to bring up planes that could fight against them A 1945 planeset done by "in service number of planes" standard then will only have Allied planes. And that is not fair.

If you dont want to perk a plane because is too good at least bring a RPS here to limit its use.That way at least I'll be able to fly in equal terms against a lot of enemy models for most of the time...

If you dont do that and you dont perk SpitXIV then MA will be Spitfire XIV arena. I wont fly in an one plane arena, Sorry but I wont do it. I currently see A LOT more of spitfires than other models, so if XIV comes this will be Spitfires High. I dont mind if it was Dora9 high as I wouldnt like to see that, but D9 isnt an unbalancing plane while SpitXIV is.

I unsed to like the current MA because there are a lot of models of planes, and each one is different. If we bring the monster here at least more than 25% people will fly it after first days (when more than 70% will do it). So you will be flying agaisnt Spitfires all day long...do you want it that way?

I dont.

I didnt like the first days of the A5 because there was a MA full of them. But after some days the dust settled and people went back to their model...or the P47    .

If Spitfire XIV comes unperked here,there is no reason to fly another plane as SpitXIV is the best plane in many things, and the ones in wich it isnt are of few importance.

Right now if a newbie comes here and asks for the best plane to fly, we all say SpitIX or V to start, and there is some discussion about if P38 is better because it has no torque...we say the easiest plane to fly that can make him kill some cons...

But for the real "best plane in AH" contest there will be a lot of contenders...Yak9, P51,109G10, P38...each one has its strong points and its weak points.

If XIV comes then there will be no discussion about it because XIV will be the best hands down.It is a plane with a lot of strong points and few,and of little importance,weak points (I only can find range as one of that weak points...other would be the fragile engine...but I trade both for its speed,acceleration,climbrate...)

Spitfire XIV will be unbalancing.

Perk the unbalancing planes or put a RPS here so at least 70% of the time the planeset is balanced. Few people wants a RPS...and the SpitXIV is an unbalancing plane...so or you perk it or you change the name of this simulator to Spits High.


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 07-14-2000).]

[Zigrat]

OK now that you have said it that way i kind of understand you.

The question is, whether or not to include a airplane in the game is a difficult decision.. I believe that in the years through 1942 the axis had a LARGE benefit in aircraft performance.. ( I would much rather be in a emil than a spit I, a franz or a 190 compared to the spit V or kittyhawk or hurricae, i would rather be in a zeke instead of a wildcat etcera)

in the late war, however it changes. Japan and germany had to use sub standard fuel, they both had their factories bombed, were short on resources etcera. So from 1944 onward, you must expect that the allies will have better planes. Well they DID. Thats why the allies won the war. Bceuase they were on offense, and didn't have to defend their production capability. Plus hitler was an idot and wasted lots of resources on stuff like the vengance weapons etcera, making the 262 a bomber. Well, he was an idiot, plane and simple. So when it comes down to it, the allies should win late war engagements. Why do you think so few luftwaffe aces survived the war?

The problem with the spit XIV was its range, which was rather poor for attacks on germany in the time frame it was operational. By the time there were several squadrons with XIVs, there were no luftwaffe within its operation range to engage.