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Offline NaughtyN

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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2009, 12:54:14 PM »
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The 3 ailerons were NOT similar in surface dimensions...

    The three different ailerons had three different CHORD dimensions; it was not a matter of improvement; you can differenciate them in some photos by the position of the fixed trim tab; with the trim tab fully inboard, the trailing edge "extends" to be level with the trim tab, therefore increasing the chord by about 40-50 mm or so. (This is beyond the wing trailing edge!)

The handbooks gives the dimensions for the three ailerons as followed.

Type #1 #2 distance trailing edge to leading edge (or chord) 448mm 8, both had an "Achsrücklage" (hinge layback?) of 7mm.

Typ #3 distance trailing edge to leading edge (or chord) 451mm, no "Achsrücklage. The handbook states that through these changes the rudder was immersed (moved back) by 10mm. 

From this information, i assume Type #3 will have improved handling qualities and a bit better aileron authority due to the slighty larger (+10mm) effective aileron area.

I will look up a few books tomorrow if i find photos revealing a more significiant difference.
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2009, 03:10:20 PM »
Quote from: Die Hard on July 21, 2009, 12:27:19 PM
Flugzeugbau you mean. Flugzeugwerke is more 109 ;)

http://www.flying-wings.com/special/04_fw190/04_fw190.htm

On September 29th 2004, a beautiful autumn day at Manching AFB, the Flugwerk FW 190 took off from the northern runway for its official press flight. After the first hop on June, 22nd and another flight earlier that week this has been the third flight by chief test pilot Horst Philipp.
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2009, 04:06:17 PM »
The Flugwerk 190A-8N is not modeled in AH. The AH 190s are modeled on the original Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau AG aircraft. NaughtyN will find it difficult to fly a Flugwerk 190 in-game as Angus suggested. (He actually suggested a Flugzeugwerke 190. Bayerische Flugzeugwerke made 109s, but no 190s.)
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2009, 04:08:10 PM »
I see now. I misread his post.
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2009, 02:57:59 AM »
NP, - point is I meant the one they're building these days.
Wonder which one from AH is the closest one in performance.
Anyway, I hope I see one some day, as well as a 109. Maybe horsing around a bit. Doubt I'll ever see anything close to the performance of a certain Griffon powered Spit in the year 2000. The guy was completely insane. Will post if I find a video of it. Pilot was French, just like O'Bama  :devil
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2009, 03:41:51 PM »
The A-8N is as light or lighter than an A-5, but with the power of an A-7 or A-8. Like most warbirds/replicas today its performance won't be representative of wartime service.
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2009, 01:19:10 AM »
Angus, do you mean Christoph Jaquard?

I know he owns a Spit XIX. It flew with a dual prop, but this was changed to a 5 bladed one this year.

If yes, he is also the first guy whos FW190A8/N has ended its flighttests and is now displaying it on airshows. He was in La Ferté-Alais and Duxford this yeas and i will hopefully see it on the Hahnweide in September.



About the different ailerons. I reviewed a lot of pictures, but it was hard to find any that really showed the aileron to flap changeover. I found a few good ones along the leading edge for the earlier versions, which showed that there was straight line, only the trim tab extending past the leading edge. For the third type with the new trim tab postion there was no real good picture, but the medicore ones showed no significient extending of the aileron leading edge.
 
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2009, 01:39:30 AM »
Quote from: NaughtyN on July 23, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Angus, do you mean Christoph Jaquard?

I know he owns a Spit XIX. It flew with a dual prop, but this was changed to a 5 bladed one this year.

If yes, he is also the first guy whos FW190A8/N has ended its flighttests and is now displaying it on airshows. He was in La Ferté-Alais and Duxford this yeas and i will hopefully see it on the Hahnweide in September.


You mean this one?








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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2009, 01:42:47 AM »
there was an excitable German kid behind our little group area who would start shouting everytime the 190 did it's pass.

I was preying for the ponies to gang it and blow it up but dang i dont think they put 50 cals in them anymore   :lol
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #69 on: July 23, 2009, 01:50:19 AM »
Quote from: Bruv119 on July 23, 2009, 01:42:47 AM
there was an excitable German kid behind our little group area who would start shouting everytime the 190 did it's pass.

I was preying for the ponies to gang it and blow it up but dang i dont think they put 50 cals in them anymore   :lol


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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #70 on: July 23, 2009, 04:21:47 AM »
I giggled inside everytime he shouted "achtung! achtung!" everytime the spitfires flew past. :)
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #71 on: July 23, 2009, 05:55:55 PM »
Quote from: NaughtyN on July 23, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
... i will hopefully see it on the Hahnweide in September.

Will that be legal or do Jaquard have to paint over those swastikas first?
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #72 on: July 23, 2009, 06:04:57 PM »
Got any more shots of the 190 in that bottom pic?
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #73 on: July 23, 2009, 06:08:17 PM »
Quote from: Die Hard on July 23, 2009, 05:55:55 PM
Will that be legal or do Jaquard have to paint over those swastikas first?
As far as I understand, the swastika is legal as long as it's being used in a historical context, if that makes sense...
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Re: Duel with a FW190 by J. Johnson
« Reply #74 on: July 23, 2009, 09:19:53 PM »
Their law is very specific as far as I know. People have been charged and tried for painting swastikas on model airplanes, even if it was historically correct. That is a replica 190. I think only museums as the like can legally display nazi symbols.
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