Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......

[Guppy35]

The news story in and of itself is a loud and clear message that racism still exists on multiple fronts..

Of that there is no doubt.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Sadly some of the replies in this thread tell me loud and clear that racism still exists. 

Racism will always be with us, so long as humans exist. If you study history, and pay attention to the present, you will understand that human nature evolves very little, if at all.

[bcadoo]

he didnt bend over and drop his drawers...he stood up to them and took a beating.  If he had a gun this would have been a murder case one way or the other.

Don't know about Ohio, but in Texas (especially at night) it would be self-defense.

[Rollins]

Don't know about Ohio, but in Texas (especially at night) it would be self-defense.

Is there a vampire problem in your area?

[Guppy35]

Racism will always be with us, so long as humans exist. If you study history, and pay attention to the present, you will understand that human nature evolves very little, if at all.

I guess I've got more hope then that.  With the little guy at home, I think about that a lot as he grows.

[Vudak]

I guess I've got more hope then that.  With the little guy at home, I think about that a lot as he grows.

You should have hope.  I'm confident he'll always be judged based on his merit by the people who matter.  As for the people who don't, who cares?

[mechanic]

you all open to your opinons of course I am actualy one of the brits that agrees with your guns laws. In this instance however i think the man was brave not to use a gun. I think this will be the end of the matter. No pride struck teenager is going to burn his house down while he sleeps in revenge now. Pulling gun would have just upped the stakes. Thats just my view of this incident and nothing to do with gun law.

[Larry]

Is there a vampire problem in your area?

Less witnesses so its your word against the dead guys. 




I wouldn't care if they were white, black, hispanic, asian, etc. I would have ran into the house and came out with my shotgun in one hand and my case full of shells in the other. I would have popped one round into the ground to get everyone attention and if they didn't stop, well lets just say the cops would have ran out of bodybags.


And I highly doubt, no matter how many there where, they would be stupid enough to charge a guy with a 12 gauge. People feel safe in numbers but as soon as any of the punks thought that their life was on the line they would have wet their paints while running away.

[OOZ662]

I gotta call IN on this one. So much flaming in here, I think I hear my smoke detector blaring...

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

you all open to your opinons of course I am actualy one of the brits that agrees with your guns laws. In this instance however i think the man was brave not to use a gun. I think this will be the end of the matter. No pride struck teenager is going to burn his house down while he sleeps in revenge now. Pulling gun would have just upped the stakes. Thats just my view of this incident and nothing to do with gun law.

But it will not be the end of the matter. Now they will be emboldened to do it again. The next victim may not live.

[bcadoo]

Is there a vampire problem in your area?

Laws concerning use of deadly force are relaxed at night.  Technically you can use deadly force at night to stop criminal mischief on your property (although you'd probably still be sued in civil court)


The law in Texas states: ""A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."

And for those wondering what criminal mischief is:

"Criminal Mischief is committed if, without the effective consent of the owner, a person: 1) Intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the property of the owner, or 2) Tampers with the property of the owner and causes momentary loss or sustained inconvenience to the owner or third person."

[Rich46yo]

you all open to your opinons of course I am actualy one of the brits that agrees with your guns laws. In this instance however i think the man was brave not to use a gun. I think this will be the end of the matter. No pride struck teenager is going to burn his house down while he sleeps in revenge now. Pulling gun would have just upped the stakes. Thats just my view of this incident and nothing to do with gun law.

Why is it normal people always expect criminals to react rationaly?

It kinda sounds like you "agree with our gun Laws" you just dont agree that we should actually use them.

Where I come from we call injuries that result in 5 days in the ICU as "great bodily harm".

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I guess I've got more hope then that.  With the little guy at home, I think about that a lot as he grows.

One would hope that it will continue to become less the norm, as it has. It would do so even faster if there were not so much "profit" to be made from it. But it will never be eliminated, because of said "profit" on the part of a few.

[Shuffler]

Is there a vampire problem in your area?

Dusk till dawn the rules change some here in Texas.

[sntslilhlpr6601]

I don't think anyone in this thread would be saying the use of a gun in this situation is the wrong decision if he and/or his family got killed. I agree that the guy was brave going up against such numbers, but if someone died all anyone would be saying is: too bad he didn't have a gun. I'd much rather have to fear retaliation than for me or my loved ones to get killed. You can always move.