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Offline DJ111

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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #120 on: July 11, 2009, 09:24:07 AM »
A warning shot is just a wasted round.


If you pull your weapon, you better dam well be ready to take someones life if you have to.


If you honestly believe those teenagers would stand and fight if the victim pulled a gun and used it, then you should ask yourself why they showed up with such a large group to attack him with in the first place...
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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #121 on: July 11, 2009, 10:03:57 AM »
Jouster, I hope your posts were in jest, like a funny troll thing. They just don't fly. At all.
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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #122 on: July 11, 2009, 11:14:18 AM »
Here is an angle.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,268427.0.html

I do not support conceal and carry by the way, but in my case there it might have been more appropriate :D

Lighten up folks ;)


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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #123 on: July 11, 2009, 11:43:15 AM »
Mac-90 with a 75 round drum.  Make the little bugglers into sprinkles.

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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #124 on: July 11, 2009, 11:57:00 AM »
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If you pull your weapon, you better dam well be ready to take someones life if you have to.




this is the reason i don't own any. i don't know beyond a doubt that i could do that if put in that type of situation.
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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #125 on: July 11, 2009, 12:41:51 PM »
I know that if someone is threatening my family with death or serious bodily injury or trying to harm them, there is zero doubt in my mind what I would do to that person or people.


I would have no qualms about the actions I would be forced to take.
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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #126 on: July 11, 2009, 12:43:08 PM »
this is the reason i don't own any. i don't know beyond a doubt that i could do that if put in that type of situation.

You don't 'shoot to kill', you shoot to 'stop the threat'. (however if done properly it usually results in a kill)
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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #127 on: July 11, 2009, 02:09:24 PM »
I'd say if done properly it always results in a kill. That's a shame but it's also the truth.

Shooting to 'stop the threat' is merely PC lawyer-avoidance speak.

Person A, based on a reasonable belief that an aggressor (Person B) is using or is about to use unlawful force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm, is fully justified in using deadly force against Person B.

Thus, if person B is threatening death or serious bodily harm to person A, a dead person B would be the actual result of the correct application of deadly force by person A.

Tough 'taters for person B but if you don't start nuthin' won't BE nuthin'.

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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #128 on: July 11, 2009, 08:01:46 PM »
A few years ago I had a problem with Lebanese kids, the war started with about 8 of them jumping and kicking all the panels of my car, there hang out was opposite my house were normal numbers of about 20 hung out in a very public bus shelter from late afternoon every day. They got their power by scaring everyone at a station waiting for a bus.
 I had called the cops many times only to be told unless the police see then doing the wrong thing I have to just put up with it. One the rear occasion the cops turned up they were also harassed by the group to the point where they would just tell them to move along as these kids just took the Mickey out of the cops, I had asked the cops to just make an example of one of them but no they wouldn’t. I know that if I was to spit and call the cop fuking pigs etc they would hit me or worse but in Australia we have a problem were many minorities are protect due to them playing the race card on every occasion they can.
After a hard day at work I parked my car outside my house to have 8 of these kids laughing due to my car being all kicked in the night before, So I lost it run inside got my dog a rottie cross bull terrier and a samurai sword and walk over to them like the terminator, there were cars skidding to miss me as I was staring at them nor the traffic, it seemed to be the trick to make these kids start to worrie about what I might be about to do.
I calmly told them all to sit down and just call me SIR, they struggled to do as they were order but after holding the dogs leash less they did as told, to cut it short of course they didn’t kick my car and the usually BS stories but there main point was that I should come back on Saturday night because they said the guys that did would be here and I could talk to them about my problem.
These kids were warning me that I would be in big trouble for the dog a sword and that I was more than likely be the one at the police station, which would have been the case if anyone of the 100 +normal commuters there had rung the cops, but instead most were watching hoping that I did cut one of these kids up.
On Saturday night yes they had friends I would say 80+ with 40 + cars tow trucks and the works I think every leb was there or very close to see what I would do. My window faced the bus stop and them, so I just played aces and let the mob hover around, they could have done what ever to my car and house, but after just the sight of a weapon none of them were that interested any more in seeing if I would do anything with it. Later on that night I decided to take the dog for a walk, as I went through the middle of the bunch I was told different comments, but again the only stupid one to stop me was warned that my dog will take a few and that tomorrow after the cops put my dog down for assault I would just go and get a few more, so in the end standing up for yourself with the help of a weapon can work sometimes, my problem is in Australia I would do time just for owning the sword, let alone even using it.
I think the thing that worried them more was my attitude of no fear, and the terminator walk with the stair of death as cars are skidding to miss me work a treat. All places have the same problems and the best way to tackle it is to stand up don’t take toejam and most times the trouble finds somewhere else to hang and maybe think that if they play with fire some normal look white guy just might kick their bellybutton even with their 10 to 1 odds.

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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2009, 09:57:51 PM »
     For the love of god almighty. Periods and Paragraphs, Please.

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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2009, 10:25:14 PM »

Reykjavík has a population of about 119,000 in a country of about 300,000. The city I work in has 60,000 gang members alone. Thats just one city of under 3,000,000. So IceLand, and God bless the Icelanders, doesn't strike me as a place where concealed carry is really an issue. Not on a small Island in the North Atlantic where 95% of the Population all looks the same. Other then both having Burger kings and KFCs I dont think we have much in common crime-wise.

Boy the storys I could tell. I bet I have defeated serious crimes, and/or threats of death/great bodily harm, to others and myself, at least a dozen times by pulling out a firearm. And thats just off duty. On duty it must be in the hundreds, maybe thousands.

And I have no special skills the average citizen has, or can train up to. I fully support the 2nd amendment and concealed carry.

I read some of these well meaning liberal thoughts here and all I can think about is all the faces of all those victims scarred for life by violent crime. At least the ones who survived. Good people tend to think there is "good" in everyone, but your wrong. Unfortunately some of these people actually have to be victimized to learn the difference. Some dont even learn it then.



Here is an angle.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,268427.0.html

I do not support conceal and carry by the way, but in my case there it might have been more appropriate :D

Lighten up folks ;)



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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #131 on: July 11, 2009, 10:26:26 PM »
Anyone who thinks this gang of youths was something serious and truly dangerous should do some reading about football gangs in england through the 80s and 90s. Just regular teenage and early 20s boys like your gang of rascists there. Against fifty of those football loving lads you've got a serious problem with or without your gun.

 If you stood up to them without a weapon, one vs fifty and said 'come on then' they would probably put you on the floor once then laugh and buy you a beer just because you got that much front to not run.

Pull a gun on them and out come the blades. More likely they will kill you painfully if you shot a few of them.

It's all a matter of perspective from where you live.
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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #132 on: July 11, 2009, 10:51:41 PM »

Pull a gun on them and out come the blades. More likely they will kill you painfully if you shot a few of them.



Do you have a single example of this? I mean, where are you drawing your conclusion of "more than likely" from?

OTOH, there's all sorts of examples of a gun scattering a crowd.
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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #133 on: July 11, 2009, 10:57:39 PM »
Oh mechanic.. you really need to come live in the US for a bit...

Don't get the wrong idea... the vast.. VAST majority of people here are for the most part, upstanding citizens... BUT the ones who aren't... well they aren't going to prove their point to you, then buy you a beer.  NO, they are going to prove their point to you over, and over, and over again until you can't fight back, pass out, or possibly even die.

Also teenagers in groups of more than twenty or so in an urban environment on the street with no parental supervision are NEVER up to any good.  We're not talking about a few kids out having fun here... we're talking about a LARGE group (also known as a GANG) of people, whether organized or not, who made a conscious decision to be a part of this gang.  They typically have absolutely no respect for authority (whether it be an adult in general OR law enforcement), and even less respect for the value of a person's life.

Most of them don't 'live' past 25-30 anyway, as they either get locked up or killed by other gangs...and as a result they just don't value anyone's life nearly as much as you or I do.  And yes it really IS that bad in some areas, just ask any police officer in any urban area here.

It's sad, but the more people 'cower' to these gangs, the more they will influence the general public.  This is a direct result of stricter rules against law enforcement, of stricter weapons laws, and of the media having a tendency to 'victimize' the ones who are committing these crimes!

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Re: Good reason to have a conceal and carry permit......
« Reply #134 on: July 11, 2009, 11:07:17 PM »
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Anyone who thinks this gang of youths was something serious and truly dangerous should do some reading about football gangs in england through the 80s and 90s. Just regular teenage and early 20s boys like your gang of rascists there. Against fifty of those football loving lads you've got a serious problem with or without your gun.


"Just regular teenage and early 20's boys like our gang"? :lol

Our gangs, or at least "my gangs" send message jobs on fellow gangstas they suspect of snitching. What they do is pull their hoodie up over their head and then empty an entire clip of a handgun into their head point blank. Usually its a 15 shot 9mm or .40 . They dont shoot them in the head 3,4, or even 13 times. They do it until they run out of bullets.

Thats what our gangs do. :D
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