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Offline WWhiskey

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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2009, 07:05:51 PM »
  Maybe your just not all the GV god you think you are.

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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2009, 09:57:15 PM »
So, using a little extra "up-trim" in a fight wont help ya get your nose around a little quicker?  What about when you disable "combat trim"?  When is it best to disable combat trim?  Anyone want to elaborate?  Since the topic is gaming the game... Lets see a list... 
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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2009, 10:00:25 PM »
I'm actually stunned that Tool is so clueless.



Jeeze when did you get that  :rolleyes:
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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2009, 10:03:58 PM »
Turning diagonal is something that not all average tankers know and its useing damage model to advantage, it may be a real world tactic, but it works.

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« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2009, 10:05:54 PM »
Turning diagonal is something that not all average tankers know and its useing damage model to advantage, it may be a real world tactic, but it works.
Gaming the game is exploiting things that are overlooked in the game mechanics to your advantage, not doing exactly what the game is designed to encourage you to do.

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« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2009, 10:09:02 PM »
Turning diagonal is something that all tankers know and its useing armor to advantage, it is a real world tactic, because it works.

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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2009, 10:19:11 PM »
Turning diagonal is something that not all average tankers know and its useing damage model to advantage, it may be a real world tactic, but it works.

It works in here for the very same reason it works in the real world.

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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2009, 10:23:29 PM »
So, using a little extra "up-trim" in a fight wont help ya get your nose around a little quicker?  What about when you disable "combat trim"?  When is it best to disable combat trim?  Anyone want to elaborate?  Since the topic is gaming the game... Lets see a list... 


100% deflection is all you can get.

By trimming UP you can NOT get more than 100% elevator deflection.

There is no more.  Trimming UP will not cause you elevators to go beyond max deflection.

Your elevator will only go so far and it doesn't matter if you manually trim UP or pull you joystick back that extra 1/4 inch to get max/full deflection.

The planes turning ability is the same either way. 

(Might I add that once you trim up and do any maneuver BUT a flat turn you are now out of trim and fighting your plane which is now wanting to NOSE UP)


As far as Combat Trim, that is more of a personal prefrence thing.  I always fly with it on, with a few rare exceptions.

I will turn it off when fast in a KI-84, or slow in a P-38.

I hear tell that when stalling nose up in an F4U it's good to turn it off, but i've never done it.  (TC did a great writup about this in Help/Support that I read and have always meant to try)

When I land I DOWN trim to offset the planes tendency to nose up w/ flaps out.

And of course when compressing I will trim up to avoid thwakin' into the ground.

Them 'bout the only time I trim. 

Some players would rather fly w/ manual trim.  Me myself I never saw the need.  IF I ever break down and get that full CH setup w/ a throttle and peddals I might start manually trimming, seein' as I got all those nifty rotary dials and extra buttons and such.
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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2009, 10:27:52 PM »
I said its something off the top of my head I felt it was kinda gamey but whatever

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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2009, 10:29:08 PM »
I said its something off the top of my head I felt it was kinda gamey but whatever

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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2009, 10:30:58 PM »
IF I ever break down and get that full CH setup w/ a throttle and peddals I might start manually trimming, seein' as I got all those nifty rotary dials and extra buttons and such.

I have it...
Still use combat trim most of the time...
Turn it off when I want to use flaps or when landing.
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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2009, 10:32:04 PM »
It's the nature of the human beast, it's going to happen. There will always be those who find "work arounds", cracks, hacks, scripts, etc. and use them. It happens in all games whether online or otherwise. So saying your being "naive" that it doesn't or hasn't here, is an insult at best. But spreading rumors, and propagating that "hackers" are everywhere will be the deathknell of "our" favorite game. Even WOW has seen it's share of "hacks and cracks". People will start to leave in droves if they think that others have an "unfair" advantage over them. It's one of the reasons why AW went under. If you suspect something "gamey" film it and send it in. And please, leave it off the boards and off channel 200. I really love this game and I'd hate to see it's demise.
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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2009, 12:09:42 AM »
100% deflection is all you can get.

By trimming UP you can NOT get more than 100% elevator deflection.

There is no more.  Trimming UP will not cause you elevators to go beyond max deflection.

Your elevator will only go so far and it doesn't matter if you manually trim UP or pull you joystick back that extra 1/4 inch to get max/full deflection.

The planes turning ability is the same either way. 

(Might I add that once you trim up and do any maneuver BUT a flat turn you are now out of trim and fighting your plane which is now wanting to NOSE UP)

Excellent post!  I was under the impression that some of these WW2 planes had trim tabs on the control surface.  For example, on a MDS80 not only can the Horizontal stab be set at an angle but the elevators have trim tabs on the trailing edges of the elevators.  I just assumed when you were using trim you were altering the non existant trim tabs. lol Doesn't really matter now.  I finally hit my limit with the sucker punching and running this game has turned into. I no longer have the time to invest to wade through all the bs just to find a "good" fight.  To all my friend(s) I <S> you. to the sucker punchers and runners...... you know.  :devil
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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2009, 12:30:20 AM »
It's the nature of the human beast, it's going to happen. There will always be those who find "work arounds", cracks, hacks, scripts, etc. and use them. It happens in all games whether online or otherwise. So saying your being "naive" that it doesn't or hasn't here, is an insult at best. But spreading rumors, and propagating that "hackers" are everywhere will be the deathknell of "our" favorite game. Even WOW has seen it's share of "hacks and cracks". People will start to leave in droves if they think that others have an "unfair" advantage over them. It's one of the reasons why AW went under. If you suspect something "gamey" film it and send it in. And please, leave it off the boards and off channel 200. I really love this game and I'd hate to see it's demise.

AirWarrior "died" because EA bought Kesmai so they would have an "in" with America Online and its Games channel.  (which they wanted to run)

I don't have the slightest clue how that has anything to do with "hacks and cracks" but that is how it went down


Nobody has said that AH has not had a few run ins with morons who are trying to be clever. 

I will say that I can count on one hand how many times it has happened in the 9yrs I've flown AH.  (with a finger or 2 to spare)

HTC takes such things most seriously and as such you will find (basically) no cheating in this game.

What most would call "cheating" I call "years of practice".

Just 'cause YOU can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

When I 1st started flying AH I thought Shane just HAD to be cheating somehow.  There was NO WAY his la7 could turn with my A6m.  It just wasn't possible!

It was (and is) possible if you log the hours/days/months/years that it takes to be able to accomplish it.
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Re: Gaming the game
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2009, 02:55:42 AM »
AirWarrior "died" because EA bought Kesmai so they would have an "in" with America Online and its Games channel.  (which they wanted to run)

I don't have the slightest clue how that has anything to do with "hacks and cracks" but that is how it went down


Nobody has said that AH has not had a few run ins with morons who are trying to be clever. 

I will say that I can count on one hand how many times it has happened in the 9yrs I've flown AH.  (with a finger or 2 to spare)

HTC takes such things most seriously and as such you will find (basically) no cheating in this game.

What most would call "cheating" I call "years of practice".

Just 'cause YOU can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

When I 1st started flying AH I thought Shane just HAD to be cheating somehow.  There was NO WAY his la7 could turn with my A6m.  It just wasn't possible!

It was (and is) possible if you log the hours/days/months/years that it takes to be able to accomplish it.

1.) AW was already an albatross when EA bought Kesmai out. Subscriptions were falling rampantly, and it was a constant rant everywhere about the "script kiddies" use of hacks that was a PART, mind you, a part, of this. I was there, I lived it, so don't preach to me about it. As a matter of fact the problem became so bad that AW started scanning everyone's hard drives prior to being allowed access to the game. Do you even remember this? ( It is one of the BIGGEST fears that online gaming companies face. The fear of their game being hacked and the use of this code becomes widespread. )
2.) Unless you actually work for HiTech you have no clue how much this has actually happened. You talk about your personal experience of how many times that you have seen it as if it is the Gospel. Surely your not that naive that they are the only times it has occurred?
3.) I concur HiTech, like many companies takes it seriously. No where in my post did I say they didn't. So I am at a loss for why you would even mention it. But I feel the boards, nor channel 200 is the place for this discussion. See Rule #7.
4.) Daily I receive either on Channel 200, or personal messages, that I am cheating. So I also agree what can be done from experience can be confused as "cheating". Again I am at a loss why you would mention this. For this explanation doesn't even address the actual threat.
5.) I am always amazed when people like you come here and Rant that it isn't happening here or anywhere for that matter. I am glad that through diligence and perseverance that it is the exception and not the rule within this game. But if your that naive about this problem, then I suggest to you that you keep your Firewall up, and anti-virus software updated. Unless of course your years of computer experience excludes you from this threat.
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