Gaming the game

[A8TOOL]

someone please tell me how to adjust individual volume on ship and tank guns.

I believe it is in (pull up map/chose options or preferences /look for game sounds/ find explode sounds/ then while on the ship with 5-8's firing/ use slider to lower sound of explode #2  (? ? ?)  could be 3..or 1...  I forget.


WOW, lots of stuff to read in this thread. Looks like I got hammered up pretty good for not structuring my sentences properly again.

Missing words and punctuations make all the difference here when trying to convey even simple thoughts. I took for granted that most of you that use it knew what I was talking about. I've never been a good writer fellas, sorry.

I see exactly where my K Key comment went wrong. I should have elaborated more on when I found it most useful in the beginning instead of the end of the sentence.. The fact remains though, many people don't know how to use it or even that it even exists and i still think it's a useful but gamey feature.

I'll make another short post to flame upon.

[A8TOOL]

Took awhile but had some distractions as always.

Another thing I just found out is that some of the best sticks in the game use the MAGIC K KEY to turn faster and tighter than anyone else plus helps you avoid auguring into the ground at high speed due to compression. Seems the K key over rules why we have compression in the first place.

Although I wish I knew about it before I left the game and probably would have used it, I think it should be disabled. It's an unfair, game the game type advantage for those who know how to use it.


Reworded version of my thought on the K key

EDIT IN BLUE

Another thing I just found out is that some of the best sticks in the game use the MAGIC K KEY to turn faster and tighter than most people when traveling AT TOP SPEED plus it will help you avoid auguring into the ground at high speed due to compression. Seems the K key over rules why we have compression in the first place and I'm not sure our guys had that ability in real life.


Although I wish I knew about it before I left the game and probably would have used it, I think it should be disabled. It's an unfair, game the game type advantage for those who know how to use it.

Looks like SLOHAND got my meaning.

I don't fly the 38 well and one of the reasons is compression. the K key reall did help and I wish i knew about it sooner. It also helped in the F4U and the spit at high speed. Those where the three I tested.

At slow speed they did not seem to have nearly as much affect if at all and NO, you can not make the plane turn any tighter or faster that i was able to pick up on at those speeds.

2: Concerning this game,  HTC does a great job of combating the hackers of the world who will try anything to get an advantage over others.

As with all programs, there are holes that can and will be sought after for breach. For instance...and is only my opinion...the manned guns. You can't see whose in them and when the same guy kills you and your buds easily from distance when your going at top speed it seems fishy to me. Same could be said of the gv's but won't elaborate further except to say that it can be looked at as very suspicious at times.

3: A8Grind, I'm sorry to see your so disappointed in the game or I should say :some of it's players" and are thinking of leaving.

4> Scratch.... try not to get in any heated discussions here. Anonymity can bring out the worst in people and very few will try to come in and save you because it's easier for them to hammer someone up than it is to stand up for them. Once one gets on you, you can expect a few more to step right in and put a shoe to ya whether right or wrong. Most of them you'll find have been here a long time with plenty of posts..... not to say the guy with the most posts is the biggest idiot....hopefully you get my meaning.

[A8TOOL]

Seems the K key over rules why we have compression in the first place and I'm not sure our guys had that ability in real life.

My thought on this was that if your controls are froze, so would your trim levers, wheels or cranks be...........not to mention the High G's (or whatever) that you might be experiencing might further aid in preventing you from pulling out of partial or fully compressed dive.

[A8TOOL]

I think Slohand translated the magic part of the k key perfectly here.

I see where most everyone uses words like "tighter" as the advantage gained.  However, I wonder if the more correct term, at least in the scenario I'll present here, is "quicker".

 but I could be technically wrong, so don't beat on me, just explain.

 This drives my nose up so I counter with forward pressure on the stick.  It takes approx. a second and a half for the elevator to move from neutral to full up.   As I avoid the bandit's shot and we pass I release stick pressure and my plane seems to immediately snap up into a full elevator up loop.  Magically 

When i was testing the 38 it seemed once I hit the K key and held it I was able to release almost all pressure from the stick and it did a perfect loop a lot faster and tighter than I could have manually. Full K key is like temporarily going on computer generated autopilot in that situation.....and when your done with it just turn combat trim back on to acquire target or find the line you want to take next.

The slower you go the less affective it seemed though..... but I was able to find a few instances where the K key and flaps worked well together pulling the nose up quickly but very stable w/o any buffeting.


Last thing.

I was able to climb to 8k, pull up, hit the K key full, dump a few notches of flaps, cut throt a bit and do perfectly continuous loops over and over again without touching the stick. It just went round and round. In fact i got tired of waiting to see how long I could leave it like that without crashing and walked away for.....? ? ?  not sure exactly, maybe 5-6 min only to come back and still see it looping around. It was a little crooked by that time and i lost some alt but it was still going round and round all on it's own.       Try it 

[Rich46yo]

I had a guy the other day accuse me of cheating cause I blew his tail off with an easy 1.5k HO shot while in a 37mm FG. I saw him lighting up the port, jumped into the gun, at 2k opened up and just allowed him to fly into it. Most of us can make that shot all day. I checked his rank and sure enough he was ranked in the top 50. I checked his Stats and he has almost as many deaths as he has Kills. In fact in attack Veh.s he has 13 more deaths then kills, where'as I try and maintain at least a 3 to 1 K/D, and yet he is ranked far better then I in attack vehicles.

Well look if the guy wants to artificially inflate his rank by running troops and finding ways to game the game more power to him. More then likely tho its players like that who will accuse others of cheating.

Its funny that anyone would accuse Lynx. Ive heard him dress down a young kid who changed over to Rooks with inside info that they shared on range Vox. Ive spent entire game days with him defending bases while at a huge disadvantage, or seen him fly alone into a defended base. And still he's able to rank so high. Nobody plays as hard or as fair as him.

Stop pushing the myth.  Look mate 99.9% of accusations in game are from ignorant clueless folk.  I personally have no credentails other than 150+ hours every month since January 2002.  In that time I have only ever witnessed 4 incidences.  That leaves me a thumb Dadsguns.

Here's one from about 5 hrs ago ....check the victims comment.

http://www.filefront.com/14129877/invisability%20_1020.ahf

[uptown]

For the record Uptown does not game the game. The game is not that important to me. Gaming the game is for gamers and I'm too damned old to be a gamer. Carry on gamers...that is all 

[BaldEagl]

Well look if the guy wants to artificially inflate his rank by running troops and finding ways to game the game more power to him.

So dropping troops is now gaming the game or score-wh***ing?   

BTW, you're Lynx bromance is showing again.  It sounds as though you'd like him to "dress you down".   

[Shuffler]

We have all seen the You Tube post with the planes dropping a 1000 bombs and the plane taking off of a base and climbing straight up to ten thousand feel like it was on a yo yo string. However all the people who hacked AH to do this all have something in common besides no morals. They were all caught by HT and booted off the game. This is a pretty well policed game as far as I can see. Don't confuse gaming the game with cheating. Turning off stall limiter and saving head positions is not a cheat. I was taken in by the cry of cheating by others when I first came to the game. I am 56 years old and this is the first and only computer game I have ever played and I am pretty dumb about computers anyway but even I figured out there is very little cheating going on. Don't put to much stock in what you see on You Tube.

Keep in mind that many of those films were shot in H2H where you can change settings. Set wind up at 200 and you can float or rise fast. You could change most anything, even make the sky purple.

[Vudak]

I respect people not on age or time in game. I respect people on what they say or what they do. Just because somebody has played for ten years and happens to be 20 years older than me, or others, doesn't give them license to do or say whatever they want. Then expect every one to give them respect. So many times I have seen vets post in peoples threads and just rip them to shreds without adding anything to the discussion.

Joining AH is somewhat like starting a new job...  You may have no experience, or much experience, but most of your coworkers don't know one way or another at first.  If you show up on your first day and start telling people how things should be done, or proclaiming how you're not going to take your coworkers' word for it, you're going to rub people the wrong way.  You need to build up some credibility first.

Do new guys get jumped on sometimes?  Sure.  Do kids get spanked, or sent to the chair in the corner?  Well, they used to.  It's the same principle.  If a newbie/kid flys off the handle, it's whining/temper tantrum.  If a vet/parent does, it's discipline/exasperation.  It's a double standard that might not seem fair at first, but give it a few years.  Look at the thread pattern on these bulletin boards.  See just how often the same things come up, and the same (relatively kind) answers are given.  Is it really surprising that when a newer guy who won't accept the kinder answer comes along, they're given the full show?

That's just the way it is.  The important question is how will the newbie react to it?  Will they cower off indefinitely and hold a grudge forever, or will they walk it off and get on with life?  FWIW, you have to do something outrageously stupid around here to become a lifelong pariah. 

<--- speaking from the perspective of someone who has gotten some *serious* dressing downs from vets over the years, and for my very greater good.  If you want the story, ask Redhawk.  If you want the extended director's cut, talk to BritCH 

[kilo2]

Joining AH is somewhat like starting a new job...  You may have no experience, or much experience, but most of your coworkers don't know one way or another at first.  If you show up on your first day and start telling people how things should be done, or proclaiming how you're not going to take your coworkers' word for it, you're going to rub people the wrong way.  You need to build up some credibility first.

Do new guys get jumped on sometimes?  Sure.  Do kids get spanked, or sent to the chair in the corner?  Well, they used to.  It's the same principle.  If a newbie/kid flys off the handle, it's whining/temper tantrum.  If a vet/parent does, it's discipline/exasperation.  It's a double standard that might not seem fair at first, but give it a few years.  Look at the thread pattern on these bulletin boards.  See just how often the same things come up, and the same (relatively kind) answers are given.  Is it really surprising that when a newer guy who won't accept the kinder answer comes along, they're given the full show?

That's just the way it is.  The important question is how will the newbie react to it?  Will they cower off indefinitely and hold a grudge forever, or will they walk it off and get on with life?  FWIW, you have to do something outrageously stupid around here to become a lifelong pariah. 

<--- speaking from the perspective of someone who has gotten some *serious* dressing downs from vets over the years, and for my very greater good.  If you want the story, ask Redhawk.  If you want the extended director's cut, talk to BritCH 

Firstly I don't think I try to tell people what to do.

Secondly I try to take advise from vets as much as possible but besides this post I haven't been given much. Can count on one hand the amount of advice I have been given actually. Which is OK I can learn on my own.

I am not well known in this community and rarely do I post unless something just seems really arrogant/stupid. I do try and speak whats truly on my mind though. If that makes me the most un popular guy in aces high so be I can still fly and shoot down planes. I don't want people to think that I don't respect anyone either because there is alot of guys in this game that after 6 months I respect, All the event CMs to start.
It just really bothers me that alot "vets" act like there crap doesn't stink.

Thanks Vudak for the advice and kind words though 

[LYNX]

I think Slohand translated the magic part of the k key perfectly here.




When i was testing the 38 it seemed once I hit the K key and held it I was able to release almost all pressure from the stick and it did a perfect loop a lot faster and tighter than I could have manually. Full K key is like temporarily going on computer generated autopilot in that situation.....and when your done with it just turn combat trim back on to acquire target or find the line you want to take next.

The slower you go the less affective it seemed though..... but I was able to find a few instances where the K key and flaps worked well together pulling the nose up quickly but very stable w/o any buffeting.


Last thing.

I was able to climb to 8k, pull up, hit the K key full, dump a few notches of flaps, cut throt a bit and do perfectly continuous loops over and over again without touching the stick. It just went round and round. In fact i got tired of waiting to see how long I could leave it like that without crashing and walked away for.....? ? ?  not sure exactly, maybe 5-6 min only to come back and still see it looping around. It was a little crooked by that time and i lost some alt but it was still going round and round all on it's own.       Try it 

Look mate I'm no expert so I can't explain technically as to what's going on here.  I can only tell you my observations.

Lets deal with everything you've been posting in one foul swoop.  Firstly take your P38 up again and press Alt R... record film.  As you climb out press the page up page down keys.  Press the arrow keys left right up and down.  Lastly press the down arrow so as to sit the pilot way back in the seat.  This is most important for you to see what I'm about to explain.

Now do your "F" key trim up experiment but observe the yoke.  Does the yoke not "pull back"?  If the yoke is pulled back then the plane will do a loop....correct?  If the yoke is kept pulled back consistently is the plain going to keep looping?

OK...now!  With the arrow keys and the use of Z & ]]]] for zoom take a close look at the P38's trim setting.  Right of the yoke on the dash.  They are balanced under combat trim.....correct? Now trim up "F" and observer the trim.

Watch your film and you'll perhaps see some out of plane head views although in the plane your head never once left the confines of the cockpit.......It's the film viewer man.

Here's a link to dog fighter.  Fast forward to 2 minutes 30 seconds. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY&feature=PlayList&p=339B7D26B33FA7BA&index=0&playnext=1

This guy pulled out by pulling hard on the yoke. Note the comment about denser air.  Although he never commented as to what he was focusing on inside the cockpit I'll wager it wasn't full steam ahead.  That throttle would have been slammed shut for starters.  As I said I'm no expert so to comment about whacking the trim wheel to max would be nothing more than sheer speculation.

For a contrast take a F4u or Spitfire up.  Using keys observe the trim settings.  There not balanced like the P38 are they.  That's cause the plane is trimmed correctly for torq and the like.   Balance those trims out and repeat your experiment.  They loop as the P38 does cause the stick which you can't observe in the F4's is pulled back.  You can see the spits stick pull back when you trim up.

It's OK to come here and make comments but if your not going to fully think about it and explore other possibilities your posting nothing less than:-

DISINFO

Sorry an all that but stuff like this should be talked about correctly before another AH urban myth is born.  Unfortunately I don't have the "knowledge" to comment as to what actually is happening but it makes perfect sense to me that if the stick is kept back in the saddle nothing other than a loop will occur.  Having observed the movement of the stick when trimmed my question to real pilots is this.....

Would that happen in a real plane and if not what does "technically" happen.  Is it the ele's being set to maximum deflection as though the stick is pulled all the way back?

[RufusLeaking]

My thought on this was that if your controls are froze, so would your trim levers, wheels or cranks be...........not to mention the High G's (or whatever) that you might be experiencing might further aid in preventing you from pulling out of partial or fully compressed dive.

Allow me to build on Grind's post:

For example, on a MDS80 not only can the Horizontal stab be set at an angle but the elevators have trim tabs on the trailing edges of the elevators.

The KC-135 has a movable horizontal stabilizer similar to the MDS80.  The stabilizer can be pivoted to adjust its relative angle of attack to reduce the force required on the control column at different speeds and CG positions.  It moves up and down with a jack screw.  There are three independent ways to turn that screw: electric trim motor, manual trim wheel and the auto pilot trim motor.

None of these would be limited due to "frozen controls."  Controls don't actually freeze.  The force required to deflect them may at times exceed the leverage provided by the stick.  I do not know for sure, but it is plausible the WWII trim tabs had some form of mechanical advantage that might have deflected the controls when the stick could not.

Regarding an increase in deflection, it is not possible.  Trim only affects the forces on the stick.  The physical limits of travel on the control surfaces are not modified by trim tabs.

[TEShaw]

Just when this thread was about to fade away...a new bouquet of posts from TOOL.

Looks like I got hammered up pretty good for not structuring my sentences properly again.

Missing words and punctuations make all the difference here when trying to convey even simple thoughts.I've never been a good writer fellas, sorry.

Duh.

Indeed. You fail at expressing "simple thoughts."

(and not just "here")

Also, if you were some kind of international grammarian, you might have a use for the word, "punctuations"; otherwise, 'PUNCTUATION' is SINGULAR!.

Also, you owe all of us a better apology than that.

regards, teshaw

[Wreked]

EDIT *** Moved to the OTHER trim thread!

cheers eh!

[R 105]

Yep the 109 flap control looks fast and convenient to me. I am very happy with the flap controls as HT has them myself.