Things Move Forward Why Don't You

[Crash Orange]

But do you expect these type of statements to be accepted with cheers?

No, i expect complaints to be taken seriously by the management. I don't really give a rat's a** what the ruder people here think or say. The reason to make the statements publicly is simple: if everyone just e-mails complaints privately to HTC, all the people having problems will think they're the only ones with issues or the only ones unhappy with the state of affairs. Posting in the forum just makes the big picture public rather than hiding it in Hitech's or Scuzzy's inbox.

Most the ones that I have read to this point go on to attack HTC, attack the idea of the upgrade as a whole, attack anyone that says anything other then "this game sucks, my PC can not run it.

Legitimate customer complaints are not "attacks," criticizing the update is not criticizing the game, and criticizing the implementation of the update is not criticizing the general idea of an update.  Further, no one should feel obligated by good manners to say good things about a bad business deal. That's actually a disservice to eveyone involved for the reason stated above: it creates a false picture.

I would assume most businesses - the well-run ones, anyway - would rather have their customers complain when they're unhappy rather than just whistling a happy tune right up to the moment they cancel their subscriptions.

They claim the game should not better itself in this manner.

Fancier graphics + large numbers of subscribers unable to play is not "better".

(Granted, new planes are better, but that could have been done on its own.)

You have to understand, it's not the concept of an update I object to. It's an update that causes all sorts of problems where there were none before. It's also the degree and pace of updates that require replacing perfectly good equipment every three or four years. There's no reason a PC should have that short a lifetime. If my car had to be replaced like clockwork every three years I'd be pretty mad about that too.

This is a problem with the computer industry as a whole, and even moreso the gaming community, and I can't imagine why so many people put up with it. Look at the comments here - a 2 or 3 year old midrange PC is "from the 1970s" or "Stone Age" or a "piece of junk". My PC is the newest, most modern appliance in the house, and that's including HDTV, home theater, etc. - but the PC is the only one that's supposedly obsolete. It's ridiculous.

For the ones that say their computer does not work, most do not give the system specs or any viable information that could be used to fix their issue or even give us a chance as a community to help them.

You're assuming the problem is on the user's end. I say that is a false assumption.

I don't expect PC games to be quite as simple to run as console games, but in the same ballpark would be nice. I get in my car and turn the key and I expect it to start without my having to take 2 years of classes to understand how to set it up first. I might have to take a little time learning the features on my cell phone but I don't have to reprogram it extensively to make a call or snap a photo and send it to a friend. The same goes for every other appliance in the house *except* the computer. Why is it unreasonable to expect something similar with computers and software when all you're trying to do is run an application off the shelf?

Any reasonable person could see they are just whining for the sake of whining. If they truly had a problem they wanted to fix they would give the information needed to help fix it.

The problem that needs fixing is not on this end. The information needed to solve the problem is knowing that lots of players are having problems and can't run the game. Posting here provides that information.

Give me computer specs, give me a budget you can work with, I will give you a computer you can play AH2 with this new patch on.

That is not the solution to the problem, that only perpetuates the problem. In a year or three we'll be right back here again. Microsoft will introduce a new OS and everyone will have to buy new machines and replace all their software because nothing is ever properly backwards-compatible. AH2 will be "upgraded" so it won't run on XP. It's a racket.

As far as the rage-quit posts, it is an attempt to cause drama and undue aggravation. Nothing more.

Again, they are working toward a solution by providing the necessary information: that large numbers of customers are unhappy.

[A8Jaraxl]

That's just it you don't have to have a problem to dislike the update. I do have a problem running the update that deals with my frame rate bouncing all over the place when I get into a fight (with max detail). Spent a lot of time trying to fix it. Took a lot of advice from others still no dice. So I can see from "the whiners" point of view. What I have stated is I dont see the point in the update to graphics that in the gaming industry are substandard. Now I have seen people post similar statements and get waylayed by the fanboys. If there is people posting about how awesome it is then it should be ok to post that you dont agree with that. And posting threats to quit is nothing new. Seen it for the time I have been on AH. I agree with you its a weak thing to post. But I can understand there frustration.

I never called you a AH fanboy by the way.

Ohh I know you didn't call me one, just wanted to make that statement before it was implied else where.

You are 100% correct, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion. But on that flip side, everyone else is entitled to voice their opinion about your opinion. Why would anyone be supprised that return opinions on a comment you make are as harsh as the comment you made.

"This game SUCKS, HTC screwed us man"

reply "deal with it, shut up and move on"

He had the right to post his comment, just as the person that replied had the right to post his. Was the original comment constructive? Did it add one ounce of weight to any situation or help HTC in any way? Nope, so why should you expect the replays to such post add anything constructive. In a perfect world the replies would all be sugar coated "dudes it going to be ok, here have my PC to play with till you can afford a new one, or they patch the game so yours works".

This is however not a perfect world, and people tend to respond in kind to comments made.

If I called someone a name, I am pretty sure that someone other then that person will take the opportunity to call me a name, even if they do not know the person I am speaking to. It is right, not really, all depends on your view of ethics and maturity. Is it realistic to remember, What you say, How you say it, determines the responce you get, YUP very much so.

Bottom line is the difference between how it should be, how you perceive it is, and how it really is. Reality, don't post crap and you don't get crap. IF you write a post, wait 5min walk away, come back and read it. IF someone else posted a post like you are about to and you would, or have flamed them in the past, what makes you think your post will be accepted in any other fashion..because your YOU? (not directed at you, just an example). "You" (again example not directed at you personally) are little more then a screen name and black text on HTC's bbs. If people understood this and did not expect to be treated like the Doctor, Farmer, Wife, Son, Daughter, Lawyer that they are in real life. If they left the ego at the login screen, they would find a much better forum here. But again, this is not realistic. SO in closing I will simply say, expect what is realistic, not what is right.

[Banshee7]

Let's all take a moment, and Banshee, you should join us, to compliment HT on what a great game AH2 is and on how well it runs with Mac/Bootcamp/Windows!!!

You must've been in the same class Karnak attended.  Not ONCE have I even MENTIONED the game, let alone degraded it, whined about it, etc...  My post have been strictly directed toward individuals themselves.  I don't know how many times I have to tell you thick-skulled human beings this.  It seems I have repeated myself several times in three posts.

Also, I have yet to even mention the letters HTC or the people associated with them.  I haven't complained about them, whined to them, etc... like others have.  I think they do a fine job, and I have never had any problems other than the ones that I have caused.  So, next time you post with a quote from me or one directed to me, don't try to add your own words.

#S#



Banshee7

[kilo2]

Ohh I know you didn't call me one, just wanted to make that statement before it was implied else where.

You are 100% correct, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion. But on that flip side, everyone else is entitled to voice their opinion about your opinion. Why would anyone be supprised that return opinions on a comment you make are as harsh as the comment you made.

"This game SUCKS, HTC screwed us man"

reply "deal with it, shut up and move on"

He had the right to post his comment, just as the person that replied had the right to post his. Was the original comment constructive? Did it add one ounce of weight to any situation or help HTC in any way? Nope, so why should you expect the replays to such post add anything constructive. In a perfect world the replies would all be sugar coated "dudes it going to be ok, here have my PC to play with till you can afford a new one, or they patch the game so yours works".

This is however not a perfect world, and people tend to respond in kind to comments made.

If I called someone a name, I am pretty sure that someone other then that person will take the opportunity to call me a name, even if they do not know the person I am speaking to. It is right, not really, all depends on your view of ethics and maturity. Is it realistic to remember, What you say, How you say it, determines the responce you get, YUP very much so.

Bottom line is the difference between how it should be, how you perceive it is, and how it really is. Reality, don't post crap and you don't get crap. IF you write a post, wait 5min walk away, come back and read it. IF someone else posted a post like you are about to and you would, or have flamed them in the past, what makes you think your post will be accepted in any other fashion..because your YOU? (not directed at you, just an example). "You" (again example not directed at you personally) are little more then a screen name and black text on HTC's bbs. If people understood this and did not expect to be treated like the Doctor, Farmer, Wife, Son, Daughter, Lawyer that they are in real life. If they left the ego at the login screen, they would find a much better forum here. But again, this is not realistic. SO in closing I will simply say, expect what is realistic, not what is right.

Yeah you are right. A little more civil discussions on here though would be a great thing.

I think AH is great personally and I know that HTC worked hard on the update. Although I don't think that you have to say the update is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[A8Jaraxl]

ive always heard, if it isnt broke, dont fix it

So we should all be walking everywhere, I mean our legs are not broke, why should we try to improve transportation.
TV was not broke when it was black and white, yet we added color. Guess you still want black and white?

This game was not broken, but was 10-15 years behind the times in Graphics quality. While it is a game you PLAY, it is a living to HTC, and he has to be competitive with the market. If you even begin to think that all he competes with is other flight sims you are dead wrong. Research has always shown that a majority of people that play flight sims, historical games, combat simulations also play other types of games. The issue comes down to someone has this much money they can spend gaming..what game do I go with?... The one with graphics that rival air combat games in the mid 90's or the game with second generation shaders.
 
Sure you can say "best flight model in the business".. but what weight does that bring eh?  Can you "see"the flight model on the box, or on the video? Chevy says THEY are the best, and 2 min later ford comes on the TV and says they are the best. In-between you had TV spots from Wendy's and Burger King.. guess what! They said they where the best to. Lets be realistic before we spew old hand me down lines that only work in a hand full of situations.
While in my opinion this game has the best flight model in the business and that is to most of us the real part of the game, have you ever tried to market a flight model. Exactly how would you do this. I would love to see that TV spot.. AH FLIGHTMODEL!!...Think that would sell? Honestly?

[A8Jaraxl]

No, i expect complaints to be taken seriously by the management. I don't really give a rat's a** what the ruder people here think or say. The reason to make the statements publicly is simple: if everyone just e-mails complaints privately to HTC, all the people having problems will think they're the only ones with issues or the only ones unhappy with the state of affairs. Posting in the forum just makes the big picture public rather than hiding it in Hitech's or Scuzzy's inbox.

"This game sucks now! HTC screwed us, his Customer support sucks" What in this can you expect to be taken seriously? I am not talking about the actual problem posts. Please show me a post someone stated an actual problem, gave some specs, and tried to explain what happened that they where flamed on. That Hi-Tech/HTC did not take seriously.

Legitimate customer complaints are not "attacks," criticizing the update is not criticizing the game, and criticizing the implementation of the update is not criticizing the general idea of an update.  Further, no one should feel obligated by good manners to say good things about a bad business deal. That's actually a disservice to everyone involved for the reason stated above: it creates a false picture.

I would assume most businesses - the well-run ones, anyway - would rather have their customers complain when they're unhappy rather than just whistling a happy tune right up to the moment they cancel their subscriptions.

Legitimate customer complains come in a legit fashion, do me a favor call any service provider and simply say "YOU SERVICE SUCKS" and see how much help they can and will give you from that comment or any like it. Then come back and read these posts over. BTW because it was not fixed the very second you posted it, do not think it was not taken seriously if you did post a true complaint. Realistic expectations...

Fancier graphics + large numbers of subscribers unable to play is not "better".

(Granted, new planes are better, but that could have been done on its own.)

You have to understand, it's not the concept of an update I object to. It's an update that causes all sorts of problems where there were none before. It's also the degree and pace of updates that require replacing perfectly good equipment every three or four years. There's no reason a PC should have that short a lifetime. If my car had to be replaced like clockwork every three years I'd be pretty mad about that too.

You ever heard that it is not the dope on the rifle (ie the sights) if the dope using the rifle, in terms of someone not hitting the mark. I will say the same to you. If your PC is not lasting 3 years, then perhaps the problem is actually YOU, not HTC. A 3 year old computer should run this game no problems, even a low end system that is 3 years old should run this program no problem. As far as graphics, this is your Opinion, and clearly not the opinion of HTC. To say you do not agree with the addition of the graphics is fine. But do you really expect HTC or anyone else for that matter to entertain crying/whining? There is a difference between the 2.

Define "Large numbers of subscribers unable to play".. do you have numbers of players that can not play this game?

Also have you ever designed a computer game.. do you know how hard it is to make software that will run on thousands of different combination of PC's. Do you think HTC can even start to anticipate all those combination let alone test them? If you really think this then you need a cold snap back to reality. This is software and updates have bugs, there where bugs before the update and there will be after. These bugs will be worked out, the only true issue is the time frame which seems some of you can not get past the "have it your way now" attitude.

This is a problem with the computer industry as a whole, and even more so the gaming community, and I can't imagine why so many people put up with it. Look at the comments here - a 2 or 3 year old midrange PC is "from the 1970s" or "Stone Age" or a "piece of junk". My PC is the newest, most modern appliance in the house, and that's including HDTV, home theater, etc. - but the PC is the only one that's supposedly obsolete. It's ridiculous.

Please link me your post where you gave the specs to your PC and it was called obsolete and stoneage. Otherwise your just talking out your hind parts trying to prove a point.

You're assuming the problem is on the user's end. I say that is a false assumption.

I don't expect PC games to be quite as simple to run as console games, but in the same ballpark would be nice. I get in my car and turn the key and I expect it to start without my having to take 2 years of classes to understand how to set it up first. I might have to take a little time learning the features on my cell phone but I don't have to reprogram it extensively to make a call or snap a photo and send it to a friend. The same goes for every other appliance in the house *except* the computer. Why is it unreasonable to expect something similar with computers and software when all you're trying to do is run an application off the shelf.

First off I assume nothing. IT and computer experience tells me that 50% of all problems are with the user, 50% with the software. Comparing PC to console based gaming is really kinda silly, and would only work if there where a very few types of computers out there. Do you think there are only a few types of computer out there. It is clear you are arguing about a subject you have very little experience in. While this is nothing bad, just understand it is not as easy, or as fluid as you think it is. IF you did not load the beta and participate, then do not feel as if YOUR problems should have been fixed by someone else.

The problem that needs fixing is not on this end. The information needed to solve the problem is knowing that lots of players are having problems and can't run the game. Posting here provides that information

Wrong.. posting your actual PROBLEM and technical information will help fix the problem. posting "This game sucks WAAAAAAAA solves nothing.

That is not the solution to the problem, that only perpetuates the problem. In a year or three we'll be right back here again. Microsoft will introduce a new OS and everyone will have to buy new machines and replace all their software because nothing is ever properly backwards-compatible. AH2 will be "upgraded" so it won't run on XP. It's a racket.

This is really not the issue, HTC has not control on MS. Additionally this program works with how many versions of Windows currently? You are over generalizing and dramatizing in an effort to make a point. This does nothing to prove your point nor adds any credability to your opinion.

Again, they are working toward a solution by providing the necessary information: that large numbers of customers are unhappy.

and yet AGAIN.. do you really feel posts like "THIS VERSIOIN SUCKS..WAAAAA" provide useful information to Hi-Tech or anyone else...really? seriously?..

[Crash Orange]

So we should all be walking everywhere, I mean our legs are not broke, why should we try to improve transportation.
TV was not broke when it was black and white, yet we added color. Guess you still want black and white?

How many times in your life have you had to buy a new car because your current one was incompatible with the new transportation network and could no longer be taken out on the highway, even though there was nothing broken on the car itself?

Likewise, how many times have you had to buy a whole new TV because it would no longer display broadcasts?

The problem isn't things getting better, it's planned/forced obsolescence.

This game was not broken, but was 10-15 years behind the times in Graphics quality. While it is a game you PLAY, it is a living to HTC, and he has to be competitive with the market. If you even begin to think that all he competes with is other flight sims you are dead wrong. Research has always shown that a majority of people that play flight sims, historical games, combat simulations also play other types of games. The issue comes down to someone has this much money they can spend gaming..what game do I go with?... The one with graphics that rival air combat games in the mid 90's or the game with second generation shaders.

I see your point, but I'm curious why just about everyone making similar points feels the need to employ such absurd hyperole. 10-15 years? Get real. 15 years ago I was playing Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and a comparison of those two games is ludicrous. 11 years ago I was playing Air Warrior, and AH2 as it existed two weeks ago blew that away for both graphics and game play. It was more comparable to MS Combat Flight Simulator. What you really mean is five or six years, but saying that doesn't have the same weight to it, does it? Just like everyone calling a computer bought in 2006 a "Model T" or a "1970s dinosaur". Saying the literal truth - a three-year-old computer is obsolete and must be replaced - rather than exaggerating it by a factor of ten just shows up how ridiculous the statement is.

Sure you can say "best flight model in the business".. but what weight does that bring eh?

Right, so it's harder to demonstrate. Still, for me the flight model is ten times more important than the graphics, and I think the game is better off without the kiddies for whom the reverse is true. Of course I understand that HTC's business needs take priority over my wishes, but since we're all airing our own opinions...

[BiPoLaR]

So we should all be walking everywhere, I mean our legs are not broke, why should we try to improve transportation.
TV was not broke when it was black and white, yet we added color. Guess you still want black and white?

This game was not broken, but was 10-15 years behind the times in Graphics quality. While it is a game you PLAY, it is a living to HTC, and he has to be competitive with the market. If you even begin to think that all he competes with is other flight sims you are dead wrong. Research has always shown that a majority of people that play flight sims, historical games, combat simulations also play other types of games. The issue comes down to someone has this much money they can spend gaming..what game do I go with?... The one with graphics that rival air combat games in the mid 90's or the game with second generation shaders.
 
Sure you can say "best flight model in the business".. but what weight does that bring eh?  Can you "see"the flight model on the box, or on the video? Chevy says THEY are the best, and 2 min later ford comes on the TV and says they are the best. In-between you had TV spots from Wendy's and Burger King.. guess what! They said they where the best to. Lets be realistic before we spew old hand me down lines that only work in a hand full of situations.
While in my opinion this game has the best flight model in the business and that is to most of us the real part of the game, have you ever tried to market a flight model. Exactly how would you do this. I would love to see that TV spot.. AH FLIGHTMODEL!!...Think that would sell? Honestly?

you want me to read a reply, sum it up in one sentence : k thx, not in to reading anymore books

[Motherland]

The problem isn't things getting better, it's planned/forced obsolescence.

It's forced obsolescence from hardware getting better.Trying to create an analogy with the computer industry is really just stupid because there's really nothing analogous with it.

I see your point, but I'm curious why just about everyone making similar points feels the need to employ such absurd hyperole. 10-15 years? Get real. 15 years ago I was playing Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and a comparison of those two games is ludicrous. 11 years ago I was playing Air Warrior, and AH2 as it existed two weeks ago blew that away for both graphics and game play.

This is a comparison of old and new versions of two games... the one on the left came out in 2000 (9 years ago), the right 2004 I think.



Really AH 2.14 is still like 3-5 years behind.

[A8Jaraxl]

How many times in your life have you had to buy a new car because your current one was incompatible with the new transportation network and could no longer be taken out on the highway, even though there was nothing broken on the car itself?

Likewise, how many times have you had to buy a whole new TV because it would no longer display broadcasts?

The problem isn't things getting better, it's planned/forced obsolescence.

How many times have you payed 25,000-35,000 for a PC?

Computers advance as technology does. It is simple, You can not take a new car back 50 years and hope for it to run properly off leaded gas can you? Computers are a much smaller scale then transportation changes. They cant make prettier roads that require slightly stronger cars to drive on. But if they could, I bet they would have. So your comparison holds no weight.

I see your point, but I'm curious why just about everyone making similar points feels the need to employ such absurd hyperole. 10-15 years? Get real. 15 years ago I was playing Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and a comparison of those two games is ludicrous. 11 years ago I was playing Air Warrior, and AH2 as it existed two weeks ago blew that away for both graphics and game play. It was more comparable to MS Combat Flight Simulator. What you really mean is five or six years, but saying that doesn't have the same weight to it, does it? Just like everyone calling a computer bought in 2006 a "Model T" or a "1970s dinosaur". Saying the literal truth - a three-year-old computer is obsolete and must be replaced - rather than exaggerating it by a factor of ten just shows up how ridiculous the statement is

No I mean 10-15 year ago..here just to prove it to you here is a screen shot from that era

This is from 1994. Seeing as how the Ground, water, and such was the change, not the detail of the planes, yet the graphics for such where LONG overdue. Also note this si a screen shot from a computer of that generation, if you play it on a new system is actually looks much better. But its software was wrote when?.. Thats right 1993-94. That was 15 years ago.. move up 5 years and it got even better. So the compairson in the most part stands.

I am still waiting on the post that said your computer was a dinosaur , and in that post you gave your specs.

Right, so it's harder to demonstrate. Still, for me the flight model is ten times more important than the graphics, and I think the game is better off without the kiddies for whom the reverse is true. Of course I understand that HTC's business needs take priority over my wishes, but since we're all airing our own opinions...

Hey that's great, and just like the rest of us, the flight model is what we like as well. But you cant market a flight model. On your comment about younger people. It is not them that I have seen cause the most problems on this forums or even in the game.. Might want to rethink that comment. I have seen just as many 30 year old adolescents on here if not more, then i have seen kids that caused problems.

[iTunes]

I'm sure the update/patch/gameplay debate is not a new one to HTC. I'm sure there will be numerous patch releases and advice handed out and then these Issues will lessen over time. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? I haven't downloaded the new release as experience has shown me there usually is bugs in the first few weeks, however, when I do get round to downloading and I have issues, I will have no hesitation in posting these issues on here. I would even be happy for one of the technology gurus to use remote dial in to fix them. Maybe that should be considered an option for some of the guys on here?

[A8Jaraxl]

I'm sure the update/patch/gameplay debate is not a new one to HTC. I'm sure there will be numerous patch releases and advice handed out and then these Issues will lessen over time. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? I haven't downloaded the new release as experience has shown me there usually is bugs in the first few weeks, however, when I do get round to downloading and I have issues, I will have no hesitation in posting these issues on here. I would even be happy for one of the technology gurus to use remote dial in to fix them. Maybe that should be considered an option for some of the guys on here?

I am pretty sure most of us would be happy to help you. Just remember to post your computer specs and be as specfic as you can about your problem.

[Gary26]

Hey Gary,
I can totally understand where you are coming from. I am a disabled Marine, myself. And I do not have a great deal of money to spend on computer parts. My machine is pretty well built because while I was active duty it was always a project in work.  However if you where able to play the previous version of this game on your PC with any reliablity then I am 98% certain that within a few patches, some help from us on the boards that have offered it, and little research on your part; Your system will still be able to run this game in a playable manner. We are talking computer power here.

People person preference is another story. Some have been able to play the new version but did not like it. That's fine and they are completely entitled to their opinion. Even stating such is fine as long as it is done in a mature way. The great thing about freedom of speech, you are free to express yourself, and so are we. Crying will not normally be bet with hugs and kisses in an on-line setting. Honestly why should it, when many of us know that it is not that bad, could be worse, and we can probably get you up and running if you so choose to actually do it (not you personally, just example).
So sure there will be those few that very well might be left behind. out of those few, I will venture to say 75% could have stayed if they so chose to (again talking computers). The ones that left for personal preference.. well HTC can not make everyone happy all the time...and no one should expect him to. If you want to leave, leave.. but don't expect a James Brown but drama filled exit to get standing ovations.

My computer can run it. Im just saying that some guys are complaining because thats what they do best. Some others are complaining becasue they can no longer run the game that they love and cant afford an upgrade at the moment. Its the flamming of those guys that I dont think is fair. They are upset bacause they just lost one of their favorite hobbies and cant do anything about it. I just think that some people in the community are being a bit mean to them.

[A8Jaraxl]

My computer can run it. Im just saying that some guys are complaining because thats what they do best. Some others are complaining becasue they can no longer run the game that they love and cant afford an upgrade at the moment. Its the flamming of those guys that I dont think is fair. They are upset bacause they just lost one of their favorite hobbies and cant do anything about it. I just think that some people in the community are being a bit mean to them.

Hey, that's fine and imo spot on. If someone posts a legit problem and is searching for answers/feedback/support then that is what they should get. Personally I have not seen a post where someone posted "Guys, I can not play on my systems now. These are the problems/errors I am having. Here are my computer specs. Hope between some patches and some computer tweeks (note I did not say upgrades) that I can get the game playing. If not I will be pretty upset that I will no longer be flying Aces High. Any help/advice you could give would be great. Thanks"

If there was someone that posted a legit problem/concern/informative post and was flamed then your right, it is not warrented or really needed. Flaming people does nothing to help the situation except in the case of public humiliation which does cause people to rethink their actions, or they get upset and it really goes nuts. But in the end, most will think back and do a facepalm at their actions.
No hard feelings, I take nothing on these forums personally. The problem with text is inflection. There is none, so whatever tone you choose to apply to a message will be how you consider the mood of the person making it. Knowing this I read everything the best I can in the Monotone voice of my old math teacher from way back when.

[bj229r]

I'm thinkin if AH used the best graphics there could possibly be--i.e. 1st person shooters-- it would be far more a bandwidth hog and kick all the dialup folks out of the game, as well as many others