Originally posted by -ammo-:
wooo Got a nerve
sorry.
Fishu have you ever shot a real gun? Have you ever witnessed the effects of a High power rifle cartridge on different types of medium?
the "penetration" effect you speak of is not as you invision. First, there are many factors that have affect on the terminal ballistics of a projectile. Terminal being once the projectile strikes its target. Angle, medium type, velocity, and many other things can cause bullets to do strange sometimes but mostly predictable things. I suspect you invision AP ammo making a clean cylindrical hole through an ac damaging only that which is within its .78 inch diameter through the medium. Well that is just wrong. A very high velocity round is very destructive as it passes through. It wrecks havoc along its ever increasing path through whatever it hits. picture a rear quarter attack and bullets are striking a wing at the trailing edge of the ailerons or flaps. Do you think these bullets will just make a small .78 inch hole through the wing and exit the leading edge? They will tear the sskin off the wing and make very large exit holes and if the hti the spar square on, most likely it will be structurally dammged.
I also gather that you believe that these rounds just dont have what it takes to penetrate tank armor? Based on what? I have fired my puny 30-06 through 1/4" pot steel with ease. This is a 165 grain bullet at 2800 FPS, how much more would a 2000 grain projectile at the same velocity penetrate?
This "explosive" efffect of AP hispano ammo you seem to think..I will be honest when i say i dont get where you get that. Has it been stated by HTC staff that hispano ammo is both HE and AP? I can assure you that hispano ammo does not need to be explosive to be destructive to armor AND thin AC skins. Its Kinetice energy and impact speed is plenty. Look, I know you are a dedicated LW guy. I am just a guy that enjoys Flight sims and flying with my buds. I am also a 50 cal type of guy. I just get tired of hearing the dribble. Some of this stuff that is being said as facts..are just opinions, biased one
I am a Munitions Technician with the USAF for 13 years, I rarely get involved with htese fruitless discussions, but had a hair up my ... to say this.
Nothing personal to you or anyone, just the facts sir...
ammo
Dedicated LW guy? no im not.
Dedicated LW guys dont fly P47s or P51B's
I just don't mind to get killed by one or two hits of HS or get killed by chogs in pass or two in my panzer, while I can just laugh at pathetic tries of non HS equipped planes. not fun at all.
I Have heard alot about HS, more than I've heard of MG151/20, but they never mention it being better tank killer than rockets.
I do know pretty good what sort of damage AP bullet does, but its not like HE ammo.
Why don't you talk about all that what HE round does? it isn't just a piece of crap against aluminium skin.
You forgot to mention heat effects totally with your AP story.. it creates alot heat as well when AP round smashes through the structure. (already .50cal does that pretty well)
Are you just trying to be in worth with your biased mind?
yes, maybe you're the biased one here since you can't even accept possibility of HS being too superb or other cannons too weak?
Hispano is ridicilously super killer compared to ANY other cannon of same caliber.. this isn't anymore explained by its superior trajectory or any other such crap.
I don't change my mind about this until I see definitive test results.
Already dedicated anti-tank 20mm guns with higher velocity were weak enough against PZ-IVh and from far closer ranges than what planes in AH shoots PZ-IVhs with super HS's.
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 03-12-2001).]