Let's make bombing a skill again :)

[funked]

What we need is a special "fighter puke only" arena for flight-sim cretins like the bald harmless one.  FFA in the TA or H2H is probably more appropriate for him.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-15-2000).]

[-lazs-]

So... you urepentant purveyer of blue haired favors... You believe that the balance between buff accuracy and field hardness is correct at this time?
lazs

[SKurj]

Getting real tired of the bomber whines......

Check the number of bomber sorties flown in any tour, and tell me what you see.


SKurj

[-lazs-]

skurj... I think you would agreee.... it is not the number of sorties flown but the effect of the sorties.   If asking for bombing to have a realistic affect on the airfields is whining then, I accept the mantle of whiner.

Adding dispertion to bombing.... Hardening airfields to realistic levels or giving the bombers historical and difficult targets to take out can only improve the game in my mind.  Leave the feilds and carriers to the jabo's.    failing that.... Why can't we just turn off killshooter for bombers?  
lazs

[Pepino]

I miss the treatment that the *other* sim gave to Norden sight. Lining was a lot harder, and navigational skills were a must. Multiple passes over target took a lot longer. I think that kind of stuff would make bomber task a little more challenging. And I am for it.

Cheers,

Pepe aka Pepino

[LJK Raubvogel]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:

 Why can't we just turn off killshooter for bombers?  
lazs

Are you saying you want to be able to shoot down your own buffs?
   



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LuftJägerKorps

[Karnak]

Yes, that is what he is saying.

Sisu
-Karnak

[-lazs-]

well raub... I hate to talk to an officer like this but yes.... That is what I am saying.    Certainly I(as I have said) would rather have the bombers have realistic targets and/or capabilities but.... failing that.... I can only conclude that buffs that bomb close fields are doing so in order to spoil the fun of the majority and for the sole purpose of getting attention.   They are hurting the fun of both sides equally.

If I am wrong about this then turning killshooter off will have no affect on buffing.   Certainly they would be able to attack back fields unmolested by their own teammates. If however, they continue to act like little kids just out to get attention by making a nusiance of themselves then i would like to have the option of giving them some personal attention.   For sure.... I have heard on many occassions, "somebody kill that friggin buff!"  and they were talking about a  "friendly".
lazs

[LJK Raubvogel]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:
I can only conclude that buffs that bomb close fields are doing so in order to spoil the fun of the majority and for the sole purpose of getting attention.   They are hurting the fun of both sides equally.

Ok, 2 questions:

1) Was there some poll done that concluded that the majority of the folks in the MA only want to furball, and have no interest in the tactical aspect?

2)Did you ever consider that the buffs are trying to suppress the field so that their teammates can take it? I'm pretty sure people aren't out "to spoil the fun of the majority." That's a pretty sociopathic stereotype.



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LuftJägerKorps

[TheWobble]

I couldent even finish reading all of the posts cause it disgusts me, if you want a pilot to enter all that crap the you give them automated gunners nav and an autopilot that will turn and commence runs, oh and also have someone work the radio... first off bomber pilots arnt some kinda crappy furball monkey that just wants to shoot something, they spend the better part of an hour often heading to their target and planning its demise and when they do their job it is felt by the whole arena. all this by them selves because %90 of you hotshot fighter pilots wont lift a finger to escort them either...oh thats right your furballing like in practice arena.  You can gripe about bombers all ya want but they deserve more respect than anyone EVER gives them.  They have patence, SKILL, and they know that if they complete their mission it WILL make a difference, like maby it will end up giving you little fighters a new base to play with.

[Wilfrid]

What TheWobble said.


Wilfrid

[LJK Raubvogel]

Well Wobble, that's basically what I was trying to say, I was just attempting to be diplomatic about it   Well said.

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LuftJägerKorps

[-lazs-]

Ok slowly and loudly now.... Unless you give the bombers realistic targets that have realistic results.... They are, well..... Unrealistic...  The affect of bombing needs to be made realistic.    Real bombers didn't close a field in one pass from high alt.   Henderson field was a small field that was bombed from the air and shelled from the sea for weeks and it allways managed to get planes in the air.   It never ran out of fuel.   Jap bases were closed by single engined bombers and fighter bombers and strafing but it took many sorties.    Fighter bomber is the more realistic field attack.  If buffers continue to take advantage of this unrealistic bug in order to get attention then I feel that it would be good to turn off killshooter for buffs.  

Furball?   So... anything NOT buffing is furballing?   Please define "furball".   Buffing is the only "strat" in AH?   Hmmm.  You are correct however that your hour long mission affects the entire game.   Adversely IMO.   You have too much affect for the amount of effort put in.  

Look.... No one can (or even wants to) cap every field from lone, suicide, high alt buffs.   It is impossible with the numbers we have and as fun as watching paint dry in any case.    If buffers want to be useful then kill and capture some back fields that are close to other fields.   don't just kill the fuel or the fighter hanger at the close fields so that there are no close fields capable of launching fighters.   What exactly are fighter pilots suppossed to do when you heros have made it a full tank of fuel to get to an enemy fighter and killed the radar so that you can't even find em to boot?  

So... The affect of bombers on targets is unrealistic.  Also, the small number of bomber pilots has a huge and lopsided affect on the larger number of fighter pilots and gameplay.

Why can't u get escorts?   do I really have to answer that one?   I bet a group of sturmavics or Ju 87's would have no trouble getting escort to attack an armored column.  Without huge cities to bomb there really is no place in a sim as small as AH for four engined bombers, especially if they had realistic results from their bombing.  
lazs

[Jekyll]

Oh God I'm scared !!!!

I actually agree with lazs.  My life is now over.

[SKurj]

TheWobble....

Your rant above which contains mucho good stuff brings to mind a question...

You have posted in other threads that you don't want to be able to hit your target as effectively.  Soooo all your skill, and patience to get to the target could very well be wasted when 90% of your eggs miss anything important at that base you needed to suppress for your teammates.

Make up your mind...
Making buffing less accurate will lead to the extinction of the buff, and expand the fur.

My thots..
LEAVE BUFFS ALONE

AKSKurj