Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?

[Dadsguns]

Very cool graphics, sounds like they are testing before they release,
How much is it for this game?

[Flipperk]

Very cool graphics, sounds like they are testing before they release,
How much is it for this game?

Free download
14.99/month

http://www.battlegroundeurope.com/

[Vulcan]

I don't recall if any of the Rats were former Kesmoids (ex-Kesmai, makers of AW) but I know some were with WB but who from the Rat's worked on AH?

As for the flight model of WW2OL compared to AH, I have no idea where you get the impression that WW2OL's flight model is top notch, its anything but that.  Hell, FA I think has a better flight model than WW2OL.

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Not to mention ww2ol's wierd damage model, last I heard the RAF decals prevented wing damage on the spitfire.

[68ZooM]

i currently play them both Aces High flight model is hands down far Superior, WW2 Online thou has a far Superior ground game hands down, Tanks, Ships, Artillery, and infantry. Taken towns is far more complexe than just dropping troops to cap, Infantry has different classes from rifleman,sapper,anti tank rifleman,motarman,light machinegun, submachine gun and sniper. not everyone can get everything in the game, it all depends on your rank. Ive been there sense they started up went thru all the real bad times but my ranks enough to access everything, games came along way

[Tac]

AH2 has superior flight engine (WW2OL's is arcadish at best)... but WW2OL has superior flight 'feel' thanks to its full 3d cockpit and its icon system.

[bozon]

http://www.battlegroundeurope.com/index.php/component/content/article/10-production-notes/2968-v131-preview-upgrade-includes-variable-weather-and-rag-doll-physic

I think this will work to look at them.

According to the rain on the spitfire's cockpit, it is flying slower than the rain drops. It is supposed to look as if the drops are coming straight at you, not from above to below.

[Stott]

The raindrops now arre affected by the speed of the vehicle moving thru them. Something they did in a day...Killer...John McQueen one of the owners of Playnet, and Hitech, Dale Addink and Robert Salinas built Warbirds, they were deeep in Air Warrior...then each went their own ways.

[Ack-Ack]

The raindrops now arre affected by the speed of the vehicle moving thru them. Something they did in a day...Killer...John McQueen one of the owners of Playnet, and Hitech, Dale Addink and Robert Salinas built Warbirds, they were deeep in Air Warrior...then each went their own ways.

HiTech played AW, wasn't a Kesmoid but if IIRC, he did make an editor for AW that allowed you to customize the cockpit art.  Killer, I believe was also a player and not a Kesmoid.  Actually, think at one time they all played AW but were never Kesmoids.


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[Tr1gg22]

Guess what, thats why games like WWIIOL arent thriving, because thats their core. If you lose your vets and replace them with "the future" then you will have nothing more than transcient mediocrity.

I was just over at the Battleground Europe
forums and chanced to glance at the number
of forum subscribers. I thought it would be
interesting to see how they compare with
Aces High. Here are the startling results.

Forum Registrations
(extrapolate to estimate player base)

Battleground Europe: 299,960
Aces High II: 13,026

All I can say is WOW! Shocked       Hmmmm  

[Skuzzy]

You really cannot use a bulletin boards numbers to extrapolate much of anything.  For example, how many of the bulletin board accounts are actually active?  How many of those active are actually playing?  How many people playing the game never bother with the bulletin board?

We could have 500,000 users registered on our board, if we did not clear it out regularly.  A bulletin boards overall registered user count is a pretty worthless data point.

[Tr1gg22]

You really cannot use a bulletin boards numbers to extrapolate much of anything.  For example, how many of the bulletin board accounts are actually active?  How many of those active are actually playing?  How many people playing the game never bother with the bulletin board?

We could have 500,000 users registered on our board, if we did not clear it out regularly.  A bulletin boards overall registered user count is a pretty worthless data point.

Wow u jumped on that fast   Nothing against U guys Skuzzy this is a great game also I switch between u guys and the Rats when I get bored of one or the other I do not no what there numbers are ,but I am certain they have just as many if not more....  That was a good point though " For example, how many of the bulletin board accounts are actually active?"

[Charge]

"AH2 has superior flight engine (WW2OL's is arcadish at best)... but WW2OL has superior flight 'feel' thanks to its full 3d cockpit and its icon system."

Agreed with some reservation. In its complexity the WW2OL flight model is hardly arcadish but considering how the flight models have changed during the years I find it quite disturbing what has been sacrificed to "balancing" <-CRS Tm). I'm not sure what you mean with full 3D cockpit, though. In WW2OL your head rolls on a swivel (as in IL2) and you cannot move your views and save them like in AH and that is a major drag IMO. To me it seems that in WW2OL the pilot in the cockpit reacts more to different flight states which makes the experience more realistic. Also the engine damage modeling is better. Many times I have nursed a sputtering 109 home only just by running on low rpm and low manifold pressure.

Still no parachuting, even if the feature is supported as there are paratroopers in game. But you will get a "rescued" if you despawn from a flaming plane near a friendly town so I guess the parachuting is just not considered relevant to the outcome of the flight.

To compare flight model just load the game and try 109E4 in both WW2OL and in AH. To me they feel very much different and IMO the WW2OL E4 is more difficult to fly. The Spits are...mmmm, Spits... 

-C+

[Kazaa]

Very impressive stuff from WW2OL.

[Flipperk]

"AH2 has superior flight engine (WW2OL's is arcadish at best)... but WW2OL has superior flight 'feel' thanks to its full 3d cockpit and its icon system."

Agreed with some reservation. In its complexity the WW2OL flight model is hardly arcadish but considering how the flight models have changed during the years I find it quite disturbing what has been sacrificed to "balancing" <-CRS Tm). I'm not sure what you mean with full 3D cockpit, though. In WW2OL your head rolls on a swivel (as in IL2) and you cannot move your views and save them like in AH and that is a major drag IMO. To me it seems that in WW2OL the pilot in the cockpit reacts more to different flight states which makes the experience more realistic. Also the engine damage modeling is better. Many times I have nursed a sputtering 109 home only just by running on low rpm and low manifold pressure.

Still no parachuting, even if the feature is supported as there are paratroopers in game. But you will get a "rescued" if you despawn from a flaming plane near a friendly town so I guess the parachuting is just not considered relevant to the outcome of the flight.

To compare flight model just load the game and try 109E4 in both WW2OL and in AH. To me they feel very much different and IMO the WW2OL E4 is more difficult to fly. The Spits are...mmmm, Spits... 

-C+

I agree, I will settle for saying that AH has a better flight model, but WWIIOL flight model is not arcadish to say the least. It has a full blown damage model that effects aerodynamics of flight from bullet damage. It stalls, blacks out, engine over heats, ect. to say the least NOT arcadish

[Tr1gg22]

Speaking of Battle field Europe I am getting ready to log in Let's put it this way in all honesty the only real virtual Battle field is ww2ol..Aces is the arcade style of game hands down..It seems a lot of folks like that I do at times....When I feel like getting involved in a real WW2 sim I always head back to ww2ol...