Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?

[Vulcan]

I took a break a couple of years back from AH, and played WW2OL for a while. I played with 3rd Panzer.

I really enjoyed the ground game, it was fun. But the 3rd Panzer guys made up for the glaring problems with the game. I can also tell you that AH had at the time similar or higher numbers online. Since the time I played I believe ww2ol player numbers declined.

What I didn't like...
 - the FM was silly, there were bugs that crs refused to acknowledge such as the floppy 109 and 110. The P-38 could hover.
 - the collision model was bizzare
 - the damage model was odd, hit a 190 with 1 20mm round and you shaved huge amounts of speed off the aircraft (there was even a spot discovered on the 190 that would blow the hole aircraft if hit with even a rifle round)
 - I could hit spitfires with 88's and it would do no damage (I posted an animgif of this on the bbs that got quickly deleted)
 - you had to hit in just the right place to do damage, for example you could fire an 88 AP round at a panhard and it would go right through doing zero damage (irl this would mush the crew).
 - no real airfields
 - the cockpit view is awful, you can't move your head around, the glass is modelled wierd is some aircraft so the view is terrible (I remember the 110 suffered this)
 - politics, CRS's role in the 'HC's was despicable in the way it turned into an old mates club. And the way they treated decent squads was a shocker
 - play balancing, they tweak the models, history went out the door early in the game
 - cheating, sure hacks occur, but when someone is caught blatantly cheating (ie fraps film from both allied and axis views) and they don't get banned?


So what do I really like, well, I'm a father, I'm a busy guy. So my game play time is limited. Once a week I turn up for 2 hours of FSO awesomeness flying with the Nightmares. It has TEAM play that is as good as anything in ww2ol, it has historical immersion that is awesome, it has huge historical VARIED maps.

Tr1gg22 until you play in FSO or scenario's, which are the peak of AH goodness, you really don't know the real AH. Look here for an example http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274171.0.html


Oh and one more thing! The so called 64 (or 32 player limit), it doesn't work, the biasing is awful.

[allaire]

Isn't the player limit those that display on your screen?  Isn't that the problem of you getting killed by someone/something that you can see?

[Vulcan]

Isn't the player limit those that display on your screen?  Isn't that the problem of you getting killed by someone/something that you can see?

AH and ww2ol have similar player limits. ww2ol tries to be smart and biases it a bit, however that often means you might not see a tank 50m in front of you. It was not uncommon to hear guys debating the existance of a tank that was invisible to one player  (but they can see you).

IIRC AH has a limit on the number of rendered planes in your field of view, above that you just see icons (correct me if I'm wrong skuzzy).

[allaire]

Yeah that must be fun.  Driving along in your panzy tank have a good old time.  Not seeing anything to engage then bang your dead.  Man that seems like a hoot.

[Tr1gg22]

Tr1gg22 until you play in FSO or scenario's, which are the peak of AH goodness, you really don't know the real AH. Look here for an example http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274171.0.html


no matter what u guys throw together does not matter to me... I played all that stuff...What u guys do 1 time a week I do everyday in ww2ol

[Tr1gg22]

Yeah that must be fun.  Driving along in your panzy tank have a good old time.  Not seeing anything to engage then bang your dead.  Man that seems like a hoot.

It does not work that way lol...If u do not see what killed u then it was ur SA

[Tr1gg22]

AH and ww2ol have similar player limits. ww2ol tries to be smart and biases it a bit, however that often means you might not see a tank 50m in front of you. It was not uncommon to hear guys debating the existance of a tank that was invisible to one player  (but they can see you).

IIRC AH has a limit on the number of rendered planes in your field of view, above that you just see icons (correct me if I'm wrong skuzzy).

I played since 2006 and never ran into those variant problems.... By the way download it free try it for 2 weeks free just like aces see on ur own   If u get killed most likely it was ur own faults

[allaire]

Sorry not going to hand out my CC info for a "free trial" especially since they said I "might" get popped for a buck to make sure my card is valid.  I don't care if it's the holy grail of games.

[Tr1gg22]

I took a break a couple of years back from AH, and played WW2OL for a while. I played with 3rd Panzer.

I really enjoyed the ground game, it was fun. But the 3rd Panzer guys made up for the glaring problems with the game. I can also tell you that AH had at the time similar or higher numbers online. Since the time I played I believe ww2ol player numbers declined.

What I didn't like...
 - the FM was silly, there were bugs that crs refused to acknowledge such as the floppy 109 and 110. The P-38 could hover.
 - the collision model was bizzare
 - the damage model was odd, hit a 190 with 1 20mm round and you shaved huge amounts of speed off the aircraft (there was even a spot discovered on the 190 that would blow the hole aircraft if hit with even a rifle round)
 - I could hit spitfires with 88's and it would do no damage (I posted an animgif of this on the bbs that got quickly deleted)
 - you had to hit in just the right place to do damage, for example you could fire an 88 AP round at a panhard and it would go right through doing zero damage (irl this would mush the crew).
 - no real airfields
 - the cockpit view is awful, you can't move your head around, the glass is modelled wierd is some aircraft so the view is terrible (I remember the 110 suffered this)
 - politics, CRS's role in the 'HC's was despicable in the way it turned into an old mates club. And the way they treated decent squads was a shocker
 - play balancing, they tweak the models, history went out the door early in the game
 - cheating, sure hacks occur, but when someone is caught blatantly cheating (ie fraps film from both allied and axis views) and they don't get banned?


So what do I really like, well, I'm a father, I'm a busy guy. So my game play time is limited. Once a week I turn up for 2 hours of FSO awesomeness flying with the Nightmares. It has TEAM play that is as good as anything in ww2ol, it has historical immersion that is awesome, it has huge historical VARIED maps.

Tr1gg22 until you play in FSO or scenario's, which are the peak of AH goodness, you really don't know the real AH. Look here for an example http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274171.0.html


Oh and one more thing! The so called 64 (or 32 player limit), it doesn't work, the biasing is awful.

Oh and one more thing! The so called 64 (or 32 player limit), it doesn't work, the biasing is awful.




Oh and one more thing u can have a 128 player limit and 2 years ago was a long time    The first things u loose site of are ur own player then things that are no threat to u then...Need I say more? most people that get killed get killed by things that are well hidden..U can not turn down everything so u can see tanks behind hills in this game....Whats the point of playing a ground war with tanks u can plainly see in the distance because u make a few graphics adjustments?

[Ack-Ack]

It does not work that way lol...If u do not see what killed u then it was ur SA

Yes, that's how it works in WW2OL.  It was like that when I played during launch, and when I played again a couple of years later and when I tried it again over last Christmas.  With the draw limit sometimes you will not see a tank or another infantryman that is close by but they can see you and kill you.  It has nothing to do with SA but a limitation of the game.


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

While AHII excels for dogfighting,
I was disappointed from day one that it allowed
P-51s to combat P-51s.  That's not WWII, which is
what I seek.

Those seeking to replay WW2 will not enjoy AH because AH does not aim to recreate WW2 in any fashion.  It aims to simulate aerial and ground combat using WW2 planes and vehicles.

The flight model is different and, to be
honest, I prefer the FM in AHII.  There's not much
automation in flying in WWIIOL.  For example, you have to
adjust trim as you fly, there is no 'auto-climb'
and the flight dynamics are less forgiving.  Unlike
the planes in AHII that seemingly ride on rails, you
can easily stall your aircraft in WWIIOL.  Anyway,
regardless of which persona you choose to play; air force,
navy or army, WWIIOL requires navigating a learning curve
and most of all, patience, to master.

Personally, I believe that I have been spoiled by the
easy flight model in AHII and consequently have had a more
strenuous time transitioning into the WWIIOL flight
experience...but I am improving...slowly.

automating or needing to make manual adjustments really has nothing to do with the flight model of either game.  If you don't like to use the automated features to make flying less troublesome in AH, any player can disable those functions and fly without using of the auto functions.  What makes AH superior in the aerial department is its better flight model (i.e. the physics behind what makes the planes fly) than compared to WW2OL.  WW2OL throws in stuff like pilot stamina, having to manually trim your plane and adjust RPMs as a selling point to tout how 'realistic and superior' their flight model is when none of those things make their flight model realistic when the physics behind it is mucked up.

ack-ack

[Vulcan]

Oh and one more thing! The so called 64 (or 32 player limit), it doesn't work, the biasing is awful.




Oh and one more thing u can have a 128 player limit and 2 years ago was a long time   The first things u loose site of are ur own player then things that are no threat to u then...Need I say more? most people that get killed get killed by things that are well hidden..U can not turn down everything so u can see tanks behind hills in this game....Whats the point of playing a ground war with tanks u can plainly see in the distance because u make a few graphics adjustments?

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I was not talking about tanks hidden in bushes. I was talking about two guys, a tank in the middle of the town, and only one guy can see it. Fairly straightforward.

[Tr1gg22]

See Rule #6

[allaire]

Wow I wonder how long it's going to be before someone violates Godwin's Law.

[Tr1gg22]

Yes, that's how it works in WW2OL.  It was like that when I played during launch, and when I played again a couple of years later and when I tried it again over last Christmas.  With the draw limit sometimes you will not see a tank or another infantryman that is close by but they can see you and kill you.  It has nothing to do with SA but a limitation of the game.


ack-ack

well with 12261 flames u no all the answers