Question about a P-51 maneuver

[SunBat]

Well it was a mistake.  The 51 haas a couple of awesome reversal or "shake" moves and one is very similar to what we are discussing. It seems weird for from a flight physics standpoint but I'm no expert on the subject. I can pull the moves though.

Are u saying that u can pull the maneuver that is in the film that toonces posted above or just good moves in the 51 in general?  If you are talking about that move, if I can get with ya sometime, I'd like for you to show me how to do that.  I can't make it happen.

[Chalenge]

Yes you can just get to speed hit full left rudder and full up elevator and to get out center rudder and immediately push hard down elevator. Dont hold the elevator in very long though. If you do it enough you can master the recovery but this is not a very useful combat move its a move of desperation.

[Steve]

Are u saying that u can pull the maneuver that is in the film that toonces posted above or just good moves in the 51 in general?  If you are talking about that move, if I can get with ya sometime, I'd like for you to show me how to do that.  I can't make it happen.

I'm saying I can pull a move similar to that, yes... it's very dramatic.  It's also an E gobbler.  Chalenge is typing about something entirely different than I am.

[Chalenge]

Oh I think you should share your move with the rest of us! 

[MutleyBR]

Are u saying that u can pull the maneuver that is in the film that toonces posted above or just good moves in the 51 in general?  If you are talking about that move, if I can get with ya sometime, I'd like for you to show me how to do that.  I can't make it happen.

Would also like to see that... EXACTLY as it is in that History Channel movie. 

[Steve]

Would also like to see that... EXACTLY as it is in that History Channel movie. 

I never said anything about "EXACTLY"

[MutleyBR]

I never said anything about "EXACTLY"

Sorry, my bad...

Mutley.   

[danny37]

Hi Toonces3 and friends!

The video is an animation.

And History Channel's animations, usually are not accurate.

The P51 in that video does a "helicopter" move. VERY low forward speed, kick on left rudder and consequent rotation around vertical axis(yaw).

If one does that in a high performance airplane, very low fwd speed, i.e., near stall, and kick rudder, chances are that the plane goes into a spin, and a flat one , by the way... Most of the times, impossible to come out.

I do a different manouever. Let´s say, I'm on a Pony or Yak-9U, fighting a Spit VIII, A6M or any other tight turner.

Enemy passes by and enters a TIGHT left turn. I know I won't be able to follow him into that turn.
I point nose down and look UP, or FORWARD+UP to keep my eyes on the enemy and do an aileron roll, following enemy direction of turn(in this case, left).

When my gunsight is ahead of enemy, stop the roll, pull nose up and BAM!

Will rummage through my AH films, when I find a suitable example, I'll post it here.

The manouever as seen the History Channel film cannot be done exactly as it is shown. IMHO.

Mutley

actually,in the whole show of that particular video the actual pilot that was in that fight in the p51 was on the show explaining that move as it went along,now im sure it was not quite as dramatic as that and was probly not as quite a sharp turn as that but the real 51s were capable of making such moves.but in our game the 51 is not as agile as were the real life ones,not even close.some of you guys are just get way to technical about stuff to comprehend the difference between real life and in game

[MutleyBR]

actually,in the whole show of that particular video the actual pilot that was in that fight in the p51 was on the show explaining that move as it went along,now im sure it was not quite as dramatic as that and was probly not as quite a sharp turn as that but the real 51s were capable of making such moves.but in our game the 51 is not as agile as were the real life ones,not even close.some of you guys are just get way to technical about stuff to comprehend the difference between real life and in game

Have been flying airplanes in real life since 1975(many times asked my colleagues, "Does blood stink? 'Cause if it stinks, I'm wounded... ) and been flying computer "Flight Sims" and Games, since the days of the Apple II.

Yes, I understand it fully... There is a HUGE difference, between real life and and games, yes, in real life one gets only 1 life...  You do that move(as shown in the HC film) in a REAL real plane, you may get a GAME OVER message from Sys Admin...

Sometimes I wonder, howcome am still up after all, the crazy and dumb things I did. 

Mutley

[PanosGR]

I knew I'd seen it before (apparently over and over and over and over...).

Thanks guys, that was the info I was looking for!

oh, and Il-2 sucks!  AH2 rules!  

Oh man take it from a maneuver that u want to find out how and if is possible in AH and drug it all the way down to IL2 –which is completely irrelevant within the specific thread - means that your problem isn’t the maneuver it self, or how you can learn to perform it, but to repeat, circulating around the same old IL 2s bad physics propaganda chit. Im so fed up with this crap.

[Kazaa]

What a pile of crap that maneuver was. lol

[uptown]

I did it once in about 20 or 30 trys. Tango can explain how to do it but you'll be hard pressed to pull it off when you need to. And if you do, there's a good chance you'll get nailed doing it. If you notice Tangos video of it, he barely missed the flying lead. I thing Kazza pretty much summed the whole thing up. 

[thorsim]

what you cant do the "triple-lindy 3/4cab fakie darkslide to fakie death move spiral" in a video game either?

you guys crack me up ...
     
 

[Anaxogoras]

I've seen the so-called replications of this maneuver in AH, and they do not compare with what was performed on the Make-Believe channel.  They are impressive maneuvers, but that doesn't make them equivalent.

What you see the P-51 do on the Dogfights show is more comparable to an F-22.

[saantana]

I've seen the so-called replications of this maneuver in AH, and they do not compare with what was performed on the Make-Believe channel.  They are impressive maneuvers, but that doesn't make them equivalent.

What you see the P-51 do on the Dogfights show is more comparable to an F-22.

LMAO

I thought it moved like a helicopter.
I like the show in general because of the animations but the amount of American self love in it is just too much sometimes. I would love to see a clip of an American pilot getting his bellybutton handed to him just for historical accuracy and to make void my claim. However that won't happen because it's an American show.  

Edit: BTW this is sarcasm. The show reminds me of Rambo.