F4U-4 vs P-38L

[CAP1]

Yeah what i do is get the hog slow with it's flaps out.  Then start the fight vertical.

i think there's a few that'll school ya in that slow fight dude.

[TequilaChaser]

With equal pilots, starting at an even altitude at their max speeds for that altitude the F4U-4 should win almost every time. Of course no two pilots are equal or always flying at the top of their game so this changes rapidly when you take it off paper and apply it into the game itself.

nice quote........... but I would say, if you take 1 of the better top tier 38 pile-its and matched them against one of the better F4U-4 pile-ts.........in the game, it would come down to who made the 1st mistake.....victor goes to the one who did not.....

[Saxman]

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Interesting, because there's entirely different climb results here:

Aces High Fighter Comparison

Here the F4U-4 has the advantage in rate of climb on WEP all the way up to 25k.

[OOZ662]

I'm not sure how old the data in mine is. It was from before the F4U-4 was updated, but I wasn't sure of when that site was last updated either.

I'm rather sad that it looks like the Kitchen Utensils don't seem to support that program any more...

[CAP1]

well, i know i fought a corsair a few weeks ago.....and i took him vertical......dunno if i misjudged his e or not, but he hung right with me. he shot my stupid cartoon arse down too. 

[Anaxogoras]

Or you can just use HTC's own site:

nice quote........... but I would say, if you take 1 of the better top tier 38 pile-its and matched them against one of the better F4U-4 pile-ts.........in the game, it would come down to who made the 1st mistake.....victor goes to the one who did not.....

Why?  Performance data says the F4U-4 pilot could win without a mistake by either side.  The P-38J/L vs. F4U-4 match isn't even interesting.  The P-38 is out-climbed, out-turned (both in radius and rate), out-rolled, and out-run.  Then there's the fantastic low speed qualities of the F4U with the flaps out.  The dang UFO can hang nose up at a leisurely 60mph.

[OOZ662]

Was trying to get multiple planes in one image for comparison, since HTC's images scale varies.

[ACE]

i think there's a few that'll school ya in that slow fight dude.

That's the only way i know how to fight it lol any tips?

[Raptor]

That's the only way i know how to fight it lol any tips?

Hope the f4u pilot is worse than you... that's about it

[CAP1]

That's the only way i know how to fight it lol any tips?

KEEP it a little faster, try the best you can to keep him in front of your 6-9 line, and wait for a mistake. 

[TequilaChaser]

I'm not sure how old the data in mine is. It was from before the F4U-4 was updated, but I wasn't sure of when that site was last updated either.

I'm rather sad that it looks like the Kitchen Utensils don't seem to support that program any more...

(this might not be public yet, I can't remember) but Spatula is working on an updated version....... so if it isn't out yet, I am sure it will be and will be up to date....

Or you can just use HTC's own site:

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Why?  Performance data says the F4U-4 pilot could win without a mistake by either side.  The P-38J/L vs. F4U-4 match isn't even interesting.  The P-38 is out-climbed, out-turned (both in radius and rate), out-rolled, and out-run.  Then there's the fantastic low speed qualities of the F4U with the flaps out.  The dang UFO can hang nose up at a leisurely 60mph.

edit: I did not post "without a mistake from either side"........

it really does not matter looking at it on paper........ anyhow what is a mere 200 to 600 ft of climb? or 25 mph faster.or 1.2 sec degree roll rate  ( <---exageration guessing, without looking it all up)........ if a top tier 38 flyer flys his plane to its strengths, and the same F4U experienced flyer does the same......it will come down to the one who screws up 1st.... usually the one who gives in to the other....... thats with both of them starting out at a max speed co-alt merge.....

if both pilots are equally competent in their respective cartoon airplanes, it will come down to who screws the pooch 1st......

classic example using to average/better than avg pilots: kappa P38L vs TC F4U(although it was a D model ) 2 to 4 fights.....we broke about even....... (sidenote: not in a set environment duel, was in the old MA, before the split )

I got to add this: this happened before some players started claiming HTC tweaked the F4U to have UBERFLAPS (<---that is only a mythical misbelief )

but have seen many instances of the same outcome above

I doubt there is 15 (maybe 20) players tops that can hang on their prop at 60 kias in the F4U-4(any F4U series )

and possibly nearly the same that are capable to do it in a P38 series...... most will stall out and go into a spin whether flat, inverted or tail type spin......

but again I am only going from my experience of what I have seen or been in.....

[TequilaChaser]

KEEP it a little faster, try the best you can to keep him in front of your 3-9 line, and wait for a mistake.  

fixed it, unless you was pertaining to being in a left hand turn by saying 6-9 line.......

[Raptor]

KEEP it a little faster, try the best you can to keep him in front of your 6-9 line, and wait for a mistake. 

F4u is faster than the P38. F4u flaps deploy before the P38's flaps. F4u is more maneuverable in aces high and is forgiving at low speeds (I feel the F4u doesn't have enough torque in AH but I have no evidence to prove otherwise, so I egress)

[Saxman]

Raptor,

IIRC, torque effects are reduced across the board.

[OOZ662]

(this might not be public yet, I can't remember) but Spatula is working on an updated version....... so if it isn't out yet, I am sure it will be and will be up to date....

That makes me extremely hopeful, but since their old website died entirely, I dunno where I'd find it. Hope they announce it on the BBS when it's done.