F4U-4 vs P-38L

[usvi]

The "4" is a Beast. Call it what it is.

[Saxman]

Because they are the size of a barn door?

I actually find this a bit deceptive. Yeah, sure, the P-38 takes up a lot of space in the sky, but it's also got that gigantic gaping hole in the middle between the booms. Shots that against most targets would saw off the tail section often fall into that vacuum between the tails on a P-38.

[CAP1]

Because they are the size of a barn door?

only if you cach him in a hard turn. from dead six, he's no bigger of a target than any other aircraft. 

[Nemisis]

I actually find this a bit deceptive. Yeah, sure, the P-38 takes up a lot of space in the sky, but it's also got that gigantic gaping hole in the middle between the booms. Shots that against most targets would saw off the tail section often fall into that vacuum between the tails on a P-38.

I've seen that happen quite a bit with verticle shots. It doesn't seem to be quite so much of a problem when its more flat shooting, but yes, it does mean the aircraft appears to be a bigger target then it actually is.

[CAP1]

I've seen that happen quite a bit with verticle shots. It doesn't seem to be quite so much of a problem when its more flat shooting, but yes, it does mean the aircraft appears to be a bigger target then it actually is.

i wish you guys had this much trouble hittin my 38,.

[Nemisis]

Really it depends on whos doing the shooting. I've seen people try to drop bombs on the bombers.... I've been HIT with a bomb while in a bomber. If they are newer they will miss more, if they have more expirence, the faster you burn....

[TequilaChaser]

It is quite easy to let the F4U-4 hang by the prop at 60mph, go full on the flaps slow the plane down, pull nose slightly up as u trottle back on full and then give it some right rudder and ailerons while u balance it. Can fly that way as long as u like if u got a steady hand on ur stick. 

are you saying in the above quote that you are in the pure or near pure vertical?

what you describe does not sound like "hanging on the prop" in any reference of the term from my experiences.......

just saying..... 

[CAP1]

are you saying in the above quote that you are in the pure or near pure vertical?

what you describe does not sound like "hanging on the prop" in any reference of the term from my experiences.......

just saying..... 

i think the slowest i've had the ole 38 o doom, was around 54 or so. i wasn't going perfectly straight up though.....and i usually let her fall off to whichever side as needed.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Why God would pilot a P-38 I have NO idea.

Because he can. 

[SAJ73]

are you saying in the above quote that you are in the pure or near pure vertical?

what you describe does not sound like "hanging on the prop" in any reference of the term from my experiences.......

just saying..... 

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No, offcourse I don't mean hanging in pure vertical. I am talking about how slow you can fly the F4U-4, and still keeping it in controlled flight. I know it is possible to get the 38 down to slow speeds also, but I have not flown that so much myself to give any reference to how slow or how to fly it when really slow..

But getting the hog this slow I have done plenty of times, and it means holding the nose above the horizon yes, but not in a pure vertical. More like keeping it in a balanced flight at full flaps and full trottle but really really slow airspeed. As slow as it gets without rolling out of the sky in a speed you can maintain over time.. And holding a constant speed of 60mph is not impossible in a F4U-4, that was what I was answering.
Not really "hanging by the prop" as you mean in a vertical no..

[CAP1]

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No, offcourse I don't mean hanging in pure vertical. I am talking about how slow you can fly the F4U-4, and still keeping it in controlled flight. I know it is possible to get the 38 down to slow speeds also, but I have not flown that so much myself to give any reference to how slow or how to fly it when really slow..

But getting the hog this slow I have done plenty of times, and it means holding the nose above the horizon yes, but not in a pure vertical. More like keeping it in a balanced flight at full flaps and full trottle but really really slow airspeed. As slow as it gets without rolling out of the sky in a speed you can maintain over time.. And holding a constant speed of 60mph is not impossible in a F4U-4, that was what I was answering.
Not really "hanging by the prop" as you mean in a vertical no..

go into the "p38 kill ratio out of whack" thread. i posted a film in there of me fighting a zeek.....and i was going vertical against him. i was pitcher over 40 degrees nose up, in complete control at 54 mph. more than once. 

[SAJ73]

go into the "p38 kill ratio out of whack" thread. i posted a film in there of me fighting a zeek.....and i was going vertical against him. i was pitcher over 40 degrees nose up, in complete control at 54 mph. more than once.  

Yes, I found the film after some search. Nice ropes there CAP1!  

As I said I don't have much experience in any of the 38's, just barely tried them for a few sorties in DA but never kept with them for several sorties over time. Just jumped into one now and then mostly because some other dude just had owned me in one, and I wanted to do some tests on my own to see if I could do the same..  

However, after all this talk about the 38 I took a testflight offline in one myself just now. Just took off and set my views first, that took some time, then I just goofed around testing how it would climb. Did that for several times, tested out different ways to roll over at the top of my imaginary rope, trying out the rudders in different ways and different speeds. All in all I find the P 38 quite fun to fly actually, much more than I remember thinking before when I tried one.. Maybe I should give it another chance and stick with it some more...  


Anyway, I made an offline film of my flight from takeoff to landing. A boring testflight, only sprited up by those aaawwsome rope moves, some drone kills over sea and finished off by a highspeed landing approach with some neckbreaking brakingmoves before wheels down and landing safely on the runway.  

It is nothing to see really, and its almost half an hour of recording and the first 5min is just me climbing from the base while setting views and stuff. But since I have never tried to upload and post a film before I want to post it anyway, just to make sure I can..  

Enjoy  

http://www.mediafire.com/?x0xgyx7ltm0

[CAP1]

Yes, I found the film after some search. Nice ropes there CAP1!  

As I said I don't have much experience in any of the 38's, just barely tried them for a few sorties in DA but never kept with them for several sorties over time. Just jumped into one now and then mostly because some other dude just had owned me in one, and I wanted to do some tests on my own to see if I could do the same..  

However, after all this talk about the 38 I took a testflight offline in one myself just now. Just took off and set my views first, that took some time, then I just goofed around testing how it would climb. Did that for several times, tested out different ways to roll over at the top of my imaginary rope, trying out the rudders in different ways and different speeds. All in all I find the P 38 quite fun to fly actually, much more than I remember thinking before when I tried one.. Maybe I should give it another chance and stick with it some more...  


Anyway, I made an offline film of my flight from takeoff to landing. A boring testflight, only sprited up by those aaawwsome rope moves, some drone kills over sea and finished off by a highspeed landing approach with some neckbreaking brakingmoves before wheels down and landing safely on the runway.  

It is nothing to see really, and its almost half an hour of recording and the first 5min is just me climbing from the base while setting views and stuff. But since I have never tried to upload and post a film before I want to post it anyway, just to make sure I can..  

Enjoy  

http://www.mediafire.com/?x0xgyx7ltm0

WELL here's the funny thing.

 when that fight was over, i was all full of myself, thinkin i'm mr badass, blablabla.

 then i watched my own film. it appeared to me that i was flying like one of those timid dudes. i think i actually got a little pissed off at myself about the way i fought that fight, and think i most probably should have fought it differently. the problem is i don't know what else i should've or could've done.


 anyway....i had only posted that there, because there was discussion about the 38's vertical performance. that's also the only reason i mentioned it to you.

 and hell.....if ya jump in a 38...then i've lured another su.......eerrr...........help ed another pile-it see the fun of the ole 38 o doom. 

[SAJ73]

WELL here's the funny thing.

 when that fight was over, i was all full of myself, thinkin i'm mr badass, blablabla.

 then i watched my own film. it appeared to me that i was flying like one of those timid dudes. i think i actually got a little pissed off at myself about the way i fought that fight, and think i most probably should have fought it differently. the problem is i don't know what else i should've or could've done.


 anyway....i had only posted that there, because there was discussion about the 38's vertical performance. that's also the only reason i mentioned it to you.

 and hell.....if ya jump in a 38...then i've lured another su.......eerrr...........help ed another pile-it see the fun of the ole 38 o doom. 

The only thing I wondered about watching that fight, was why the zero kept following you up there?? But that was his mistake.. 

I will do some more testing in the 38 for sure, I have been flying hogs now for about a year or more so I guess it would not hurt to give another plane a fair chance now. And I am sure it is a fun plane to fly once you know how to handle it. I just have to get my account re opened soon, been away from the game now for quite a while, but hoping to get back in very soon now before I get too rusty. 

[CAP1]

The only thing I wondered about watching that fight, was why the zero kept following you up there?? But that was his mistake.. 

I will do some more testing in the 38 for sure, I have been flying hogs now for about a year or more so I guess it would not hurt to give another plane a fair chance now. And I am sure it is a fun plane to fly once you know how to handle it. I just have to get my account re opened soon, been away from the game now for quite a while, but hoping to get back in very soon now before I get too rusty. 

i think he kept following me, because the zeek can also go very well in the veritcal, at very low speeds. his main mistake when he followed me.......if you watch the film again, and slow it down a bit when i go up........is that when he got near 1k out, he tried to pull lead on me. when he did this, his speed dropped off dramatically. i think that had he continued in a pure or a lag pursuit when i went up, he'd have whittled away any advantage i had.

 the dude is a good pile-it, and very much fun to fly with, and against. it's always a good clean fight against him.