Author Topic: pyro 190 a5 climbs too slow at alt (Read 1926 times)

Zigrat · « **on:** December 16, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »

100% gas no DT with wep only gets 1.6k/min pasing thru 25k should get 2k according to charts

R4M · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2001, 04:52:00 PM »

It's not the only thing the AH's A5 does not make right.

BTW forget about getting an answer on this matter, he won't say a thing about it. Just as he didn't about the SL speed, just about the Jabo configurations of the F8/U1, just about so many things

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gatt · « **Reply #2 on:** December 16, 2001, 04:58:00 PM »

Well, what I've learned in these two years is that PYRO seldom *replies* to posts like this one. However, sometimes I've seen FM changes in the following releases.

Zigrat · « **Reply #3 on:** December 16, 2001, 05:06:00 PM »

it is according to his own charts not someone elses

R4M · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2001, 05:07:00 PM »

He answers when he wants, Gatt

BTW I don't say anything against it. He's free to post wherever he wants.

I'm not saying he won't fix it (even when the wing bombs/DTs of the 190F8 don't need much work to be implemented, tho).

I just tell zigrat not to expect an answer. And that such silence is VERY noisy, at least for me.

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it is according to his own charts not someone elses

Zigrat, is not the only chart "misreading". For instance, when you get a 109G10 to make 450mphTAS@25000feet on level flight and 100% fuel load in Aces High, warn me

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funkedup · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2001, 02:51:00 PM »

Pyro has fixed bugs on both Allied AND Axis planes when performance in game doesn't agree with the charts. Just because you guys don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Tac · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2001, 02:53:00 PM »

Pyro Rules!.

He dont respond 'cause he's too busy swindling HT's scotch.

Ewps.. I never said that!

R4M · « **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:07:00 PM »

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WTG, you just ruined the thread of Zigrat, somebody who argues with facts instead of roadkill that people like you resort to.

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First: I dont suggest anything. I simply remark a FACT:

FACT: Pyro has stated NOTHING about fixing the well documented,Fw190-specific issues brought up in this forum so far.

If remarking that FACT; is taken by you as suggesting that Pyro has an anti-german bias, then is YOUR interpretation. Do me a favor and dot put in my mouth words i've never said, please.

SECOND: Anyway ,posting pure data facts dont work either. There is a nice chart wich shows 565km/h@SL for the Fw190A5 posted in another thread, wich also got nicely bypassed by him without even saying a word.

The chart is original from FW. That thread was posted in a calm way (and I even edited it after you suggested me I was making too strong statements).

It has been repeatedly punted. Not a word from Pyro on the matter. Nothing. At all.

Same goes about the F8 bombs...same about the A/G rockets...same about...same about...etc

Lots of "same abouts" with the same common denominator (plain to see). And that is just my point: he is not going answer this thread no matter what happens in it. He has done the same before, he will do the same now.

You can agree or disagree but facts are facts. I'm not saying he has a bias or not. I'm saying he is not answering in this thread. No matter what.

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AKSWulfe · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »

I'm willing to bet everything posted in this forum is somewhere on HTC's to-do list. It just depends on how important it is.

.....and when you have someone like RAM arguing on your side then the importance is getting knocked further down the list each post he makes.
-SW

R4M · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:26:00 PM »

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I'm willing to bet everything posted in this forum is somewhere on HTC's to-do list. It just depends on how important it is.

I'm not saying a word about that (even when I have my own reserves about believing that affirmation.).

I don't say Pyro won't fix a wrong climbrate. I just say Pyro is not going to answer in this thread, seeing the previous instances of 190 issues brought up in this forum.

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.....and when you have someone like RAM arguing on your side then the importance is getting knocked further down the list each post he makes.
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I dont' believe it. But If that is true, then my opinion of Pyro then would also get knocked really low.

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funkedup · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:26:00 PM »

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R4M · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:31:00 PM »

What I suggest with that paragraph?. That certain issues do not get a proper deal of attention compared with another issues.

I'll illustrate my argument. Shortly before the last patch release, Pyro posted in several threads of this forum). At that moment the FW190 SL speed thread was up in the top.

He said nothing in it nor about it. At all. Zero, nil ,nada. He was scanning the forum at that moment, and posting in threads, and this one had a nice FW chart as presentation card. Yet he nicely bypassed it as if it didnt exist. neither to say "hey, that document is fine,I'll look into it" ,nor to say "hey! AH's speed is modelled as it is and wont change it because X and Y" (as he did with the P47D11 paddle prop thread, for instance)

That is what I meant with "noisy silences". They are VERY noisy, at least for me.

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funkedup · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:35:00 PM »

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R4M · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:38:00 PM »

Wich issues?...any of them. Pyro has posted quite a deal in this forum about quite some things since the 190A5 SL speed thread was started up, for instance.

Take those as a sample of the "what issues" do I talk about.

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funkedup · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2001, 03:44:00 PM »

The only trend I've noticed with HTC and flight test data is that they don't comment on it at all. They have obviously spent a lot of time and money on research in this area.

They don't divulge their sources, which I assume is because they consider this proprietary information which could be of value to competitors - they are protecting their investment.

And they don't seem to be willing to discuss comparisons of the flight test data they have chosen to use for the game with flight test data from other sources. Which I assume is because they have confidence in their choice, and the fact that there is no way to have a meaningful discussion of this type without disclosing their sources.

However Pyro has on several occasions noted differences between his own published charts and the performance in the game, which were brought to his attention in this forum, and he has made the changes in the game to correct the differences. These cases are not historical issues, merely bugs in the software. And that is the sort of request that Zigrat was making.