Dora charts

[MANDOBLE]

Can someone post climb/speed charts of Dora (with/without MW50)?

[Pepe]

¡¡No hasta que vuelvas!!

Saludos,

Pepe

[MANDOBLE]

Dos semanas Pepe, dos semanas ...
Se me cuide.

[Vermillion]

Mandoble, here is a chart that has some good D9 data on it.
 http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-4.jpg

It also has some good data on just about the entire 190 series on in, including the A5,A8, and the Ta152H1.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[MANDOBLE]

Thanks for the info Verm, but it is a bit unclear for me. I have no idea of german, but I suppose the following terms have these meanings, please, correct me if I'm wrong (100% probable):

Hötchsgeschwindigkeit -> wind speed
mit Notleistung om Boden (Km/h) -> with ???
in Volldruckhöhe -> altitude

mit Kampfleistung -> with field modifications?

[niklas]

 

Hötchsgeschwindigkeit -> wind speed
mit Notleistung om Boden (Km/h) -> with ???
in Volldruckhöhe -> altitude

mit Kampfleistung -> with field modifications?

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Höchstgeschwindigkeit = topspeed
mit Notleistung am Boden = with emgency power at sealevel
in Volldurckhöhe = in rated/critical altitude

mit Kampfleistung = with combat power

Note: emergency power is not special emergency power (usage of mw50)

niklas

[niklas]

The best charts for the dora were posted a long time ago by Naudet. You can find them here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/001094.html

When you look at the topspeed (635kmh or 395mph at sealevel), you can see that for this curve, the second stage of the supercharger was already used at sealevel (straight line from sealevel to 4000m)

Here is the corresponding engine performance chart:
       
(a higher resolution scan is: www.freenet.de/luftwaffeln/213A1.jpg
and the Jumo213E1 engine: www.freenet.de/luftwaffeln/213E1.jpg )

You can easily see that the curve for 395mph at sealevel is identical to the curve in the engine chart with 2100hp (2.Stage used already at sealevel).
That means the D9 you know so far from WB or other sims is very probable a 1900hp Dora, and not the true 2100hp Version.

niklas


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[Glunz]

 

Originally posted by niklas:
395mph at sealevel

Oh boy  

[juzz]

Looks like there's no "ram effect" on those engine power charts...?

Here's some dodgy "HTC style" Fw 190D-9 charts made from Naudet's chart data:
 
 

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Vermillion:
Mandoble, here is a chart that has some good D9 data on it.
 http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-4.jpg

It also has some good data on just about the entire 190 series on in, including the A5,A8, and the Ta152H1.

Ok, I emailed vermillion to post this but 12 hours have passed and he has done nothing.

Hötchsgeschwindigkeit mit Notleistung om Boden (Km/h)in Volldruckhöhe  in german means "speed at sea level"

Fw190A8 in that chart shows 578 km/hour at deck level, wich is 360mph, not 350mph as the Fw190A8 has in Aces High.

Given that the Fw190F8 is bassically identical to the Fw190A8, I would be sure that the F8 has also around 360mph on the deck.

this is as fast as the Corsair is!!!!!!!! and matches pretty well the VVS page's info on the 190's speed that I posted some time ago, wich said that the 190A8 (F8) was only 10-15km/hour slower thank yak9u at sea level, making it very difficult to intercept on the very low, hispeed ,bomb runs they used to do at deck level.

I've seen a lot of times the 360mph figure for the Fw190A8 at deck level, but this is the first time I see it in an official document...maybe the Fw190A8 in aces high is too slow at deck level? 10mph is a BIG difference...

See the date of that information 1-10-1944, seems a quite official document if you ask me, and is a german document wich talks about german 190s, not captured ones  


HTC,sorry for this post, but I asked verm to post this and he has done nothing. And seems he wasnt to do anything.

And BTW WTG on the dora  

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[juzz]

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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?

NO!!!

It's R4M!

[juzz]

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[Nashwan]

performance data for Tempest V:
Speed
S/L 378mph
10K 409mph
16K 421mph
20K 431mph
Climb is also similar to the D9 with MW50.
Extracts from ADFU trial of Tempest:

41. There is very little difference in turning circles between the two aircraft. If anything a very slight advantage lies with the Tempest.

Rate of Roll
42. The Tempest V cannot compare with the FW 190.

As the 2 planes seem so well matched, can I assume the D( with MW 50 will be perked?

[GRUNHERZ]

Hello RAM

[R4M]

   

Originally posted by Nashwan:
performance data for Tempest V:
Speed
S/L 378mph
10K 409mph
16K 421mph
20K 431mph

From AH charts :

P51D's Speeds:
SL: 370mph
10k: around 410mph
16K: around 415mph
20K: aournd 427mph

Fw190D9's MW50 Speeds; according to Verm charts:
SL: 380mph


P51D turns markedly better than the Fw190A8, the D9 will turn worse than the A8.

P51D has markedly better firepower than the Fw190D9 (not just because punch only,wich could be arguable, but also because the way better accuracy, bullet speed,RoF, and range of the 50cals)

Rate of roll of the P51 is worse under 400IAS and better over it. But it is quite decent at any speed.

P51D range is way better than D9's. P51's A/G loadouts are way better than D9's (and than tempest's too IIRC)

While d9 is faster than P51D in most altitudes, P51D has better dive, high speed handling and E-retaining.
D9, on its side, has better acceleration, and better climbrate

Both aircraft are evenly matched in almost everything.

Conclussion in the lines of Nashwans' reasoning; P51D will be a perk plane    

Nashwan, the Tempest has four hispanos. The F4U1-C will be a blessing compared with it . The tempest will climb and accelerate better than the MW50 D9, although by a slight margin.

 But the Tempest turned better than the Fw190D9 (either that or you are telling me that the Fw190A8 outturns a Typhoon???   ), dives better and has a devastating weaponry.

Personally I think that both the P51D and Fw190D9 belong to the normal planeset of Aces High. Tempest V is too good, as it is SpitXIV.

Fw190D9 will be a faster Fw190A8, with 2 cannons less. Will need serious ACM in order to be succesfull in this plane, because BnZ tactics can't work well in a plane that has two 20mm cannons unable to hit beyond 400yards.D9 Will be an air superiority plane only, while both tempest and Mustang can play the A/G role quite succesfully  

BTW I <punt> my previous post. 360mph for the 190A8/190F8 at Sea Level... In AH it is 350mph...

why?




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