Porker Generals Strut Their Stuff!

[Sol75]

I dont bomb or GV or pork for a simple reason.  I find it boring. 
I will furball to support a base capture, but YES if the hangars all get porked, I get a bit ticked.  Why? because then it becomes boring, jsut as bombing and GVing is to me.
I don't expect everyone to furball, why should *I* be expected to "pork" or bomb?

I am all for historic missions as well, you post a big bomber mission to the strats? I will jump at flying escort.  You post a big mission ot pork a base? not joining, porking removes resistance, and what fun is flying circles over an airfield... when I want to do that, I fly Microsoft FSX.

Sol

[Shuffler]

Can't help but notice most of the self proclaimed biggest winners are almost always losers.

[kvuo75]

If it's annoying, the rest of us can introduce you to a very old game feature called .squelch (players ID) that way you can not have to view that person's text.  Problem solved.  Anything less is whining on your own part.



As for not caring about winning maps or contributing to your own country's efforts toward that I have to ask....when you were a kid did they give trophys for 9th place and "everybody" was a winner?

In my hometown if you weren't a state champion in something, you were a forgotten "also ran".  And that's how many people who like competition think.  Last I looked, AH was a multi-faceted competition that gave kudos to player in ALL facets of the game each tour.If you are in the habit of losing, and like it...then again, it's your $15 bucks.

ROX

To paraphrase a squaddie who said recently to me -- I'm sure its been said before..  "if you're landing kills, you're winning"

I'm sure others can chime in and say you dont even need to land em, or even get em.. if yer having fun you're winning.. I can go with that too... 

this is not a life or death competition... too many people take it too seriously..

[dedalos]

 I always thought that the guys who furballed in fighters almost exclusively did so because they sucked at bombing, porking, attack (dive bombing), mission skills, and ground vehicles.  Those same elitists need to hop in a tank, button up the hatch, get on 200 and call out some LTAR's, flk4, dr7, or Rondar and ask for a gv 1 v 1 to show their game "uber-skills" and see what happens.

  ROX.  First of all, don't confuse fighting with furballing.

Second, the problem with bombing, porking, dive bombing etc is not that we suck at them.  The problem is that they are easy and they don't change.  For example, I learned how to calibrate the bomb sight 6 years ago lol.  How does that change between buff runs?  How hard is to dive bomb a building and how mach of a fight does it give you?  See, its not that we suck at it, but, well, the buildings suck at it.  They are no challenge.

As far as the Paton quote   again.  I play to win.  I promise to slap you around repeatedly in any plane under any conditions and if I fail, I ll go find out why and try to get better.  That is were the fun is.  Winning the fights that are unpredictable, different, against different opponents and with many other variables.  Since this is not a real war, winning is only fun if somehow it was earned.  In a real war however, if I was going to go down, I'd rather do it while I took a few bad guys with me instead of crashing into a building while checking if the church was up  

BTW, I have never met anyone in the game that could put up a fight, that promots porking and winning the war.  At the same time, I have never met a general that actually had any kind of hope after missing the initial HO.  So, one could say that the real quitters, the ones that lost and are smiling, are the ones that decided they could not learn how to fight, and since they cannot win against other humans, they will try an win against buildings.  Just a theory of course  

[RufusLeaking]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, ”Can’t we all just get along?”

If it's annoying, the rest of us can introduce you to a very old game feature called .squelch (players ID) that way you can not have to view that person's text.  Problem solved.  Anything less is whining on your own part.

If this game were all about "maturing into the game to see it's all about dogfighting" the game owner and designer would have ditched all the bombers, bombs, taking of bases, ground vehicles, and the ability to disable base hangars, ords, radar, fuels, troops, and the game would simply be called:

ACES HIGH:  THE BIG-GIGANTIC-ARSED-DUELING ARENA




ROX

Rox has a valid point, a little dramatic in his presentation, but valid none the less.  HTC has a good balanced product here to allow players to cover air, land and sea action, with a focus on the air.  Someone wants to gv, base take, pork, furball, pick and run, or gun from a ship, it is an individual choice.  We all have the same options. 

Armchair generals have to accept the fact that it is a choice, not a duty.

Personally, I did the military thing in real life.  I chafe at those who try to force a rank structure into the game.  I don’t want to order anyone, or be ordered to do something.

I’ll stick to whining on country about not getting check sixes.

I dont bomb or GV or pork for a simple reason.  I find it boring. 
I will furball to support a base capture, but YES if the hangars all get porked, I get a bit ticked.  Why? because then it becomes boring, jsut as bombing and GVing is to me.
I don't expect everyone to furball, why should *I* be expected to "pork" or bomb?

Sol

Another perfectly valid point.  I don’t share Sol’s opinion, but who am I to say he is wrong?  I get frustrated a lot when I dive bomb (I can barely hit the ground) and gv (I never see the bast… gentleman who kills me), but I still do it occasionally to break things up.  Spawn camping can be a huge drag, as can vulching a field.

Did I have a point here?  Oh, yeah, two valid opinions on the opposite end of the scale.  Can’t we all just get along?

Can't help but notice most of the self proclaimed biggest winners are almost always losers.

Apparently not.


I play this game for the human element.  I think we all do.  No one gets along with everyone.  This is a competitive game.  Competition can bring out the best and worst in people.  I fail to maintain civility at times and I always regret it.  But it does not change the fact that it is the people that make HTC’s excellent game worth playing.   

[Saurdaukar]

Mister ROX.

<--- This is how seriously you take this game.







































<--- This is the limit of how seriously one may take this game whilst maintaining mental health.




Patton?  Really.  

[kilz]

ow my soupie how you have change

[Yeager]

I have matured enough in game to realize AH is about MORE than dogfighting.
A LOT more.

AH is many different things to many different people.  Thats what has given the game such longevity with such a diverse and dedicated community.  Many people come and plenty of people go, and then they come back again. And again.

[Ack-Ack]

Personally, I believe jack of all trades squads are the meat and potatos of every country.  I always thought that the guys who furballed in fighters almost exclusively did so because they sucked at bombing, porking, attack (dive bombing), mission skills, and ground vehicles.  Those same elitists need to hop in a tank, button up the hatch, get on 200 and call out some LTAR's, flk4, dr7, or Rondar and ask for a gv 1 v 1 to show their game "uber-skills" and see what happens.

ROX

Personally, I believe those guys that toolshed and play to WIN THE WAR(TM) (like you and your squadron) did so because they suck at flying fighters, BFM and ACM.  It's okay that you and your squadron mates suck in fighters, that's why HiTech added bombers and GVs for those players like yourself that lack the necessary skills to be competitive in a fighter.


ack-ack

[newz]

I wasn't directing my comment at any specific person, including you.  
As I said, when I up at a base with nothing but red I'm almost always all by myself.

Roger that, I know how you feel! <S>

Hits the nail on the head 

What nail is that? It's ok to insult fellow AH players on country ad nauseam?

”Can’t we all just get along?”

The first step is for guys like ROX to realize that just because the squelch function exists in game
it does not grant the right to be disrespectful to other players. I don't mind dirt farmers. If that's
what floats their boat great! I enjoy the randomness of encounters in game and I will admit that
the "capture the flag" is a good way to stimulate interaction. That said, I feel I win ever time I have
a good sortie regardless of whether the base was won or lost.
I can say from experience that, the sooner you attach less significance to whether the capture was made
and more to whether you had a good fight at that locale, the sooner you'll get more enjoyment from
this game.

ow my soupie how you have change

Sometimes change is a good thing indeed my friend!

i sneezed while wearing my pink panties on my head the other night. now i have to resort back to the "bra on head" method. 

It surprises me that someone with your experience spamming this forum has not yet grasped
how to quote more than one person per reply. Seriously dude you should try it.

[SlapShot]

I always thought that the guys who furballed in fighters almost exclusively did so because they sucked at bombing, porking, attack (dive bombing), mission skills, and ground vehicles.

Then there are those who have ... been there ... done that ... have the T-Shirt.

Long before you rolled onto the scene, I was the CO the the M.A.W. 3rd Wing - Black Sheep. The M.A.W. is probably one of the best base-taking, win-the-war squads in the history of this game ... we used all avenues available to secure a capture and/or reset.

I loved all the guys in the M.A.W. but the main reason that I left was that I became very efficient in all aspect of this game EXCEPT dogfighting ... I could de-ack, JABO, bomb, GV with the best of them, but after awhile it became boring ... same 'ol same 'ol.

If, after everything was "destroyed", I happened upon an air con ... I was dead within seconds unless a squaddie cleared me. That became very tiresome too, so I decided to part ways amicably and seek out a dogfighting squad and haven't looked back since.

At times I will participate in the other aspects of the game for slight change, but for me, this game is all about the "dogfight" ... don't think for one second that all the top dogfighters don't know how to JABO, bomb, de-ack, or GV.

[SlapShot]

It surprises me that someone with your experience spamming this forum has not yet grasped
how to quote more than one person per reply. Seriously dude you should try it.

  ... CAP is trying to catch up to RipSnort and Lazs

[Bronk]

... CAP is trying to catch up to RipSnort and Lazs

He is doing well at it though.

[LYNX]

ROX.  First of all, don't confuse fighting with furballing.  I'll not get into this but I'll pick up on other things.

Second, the problem with bombing, porking, dive bombing etc is not that we suck at them.  The problem is that they are easy and they don't change.  If by that you mean the target is at the same place then your right.  If your talking fighting your way in heavy and destroying your target and THEN get home...your wrong. For example, I learned how to calibrate the bomb sight 6 years ago lol.  How does that change between buff runs?  Depends on the cons in and out of target...doesn't it? How hard is to dive bomb a building and how mach of a fight does it give you?  Again? ..getting repetitive.  Depends on who's trying to put you in the tower and what you do after targets destroyed. See, its not that we suck at it, but, well, the buildings suck at it.  They are no challenge.  Those building have a nasty habit of calling in help.  Fighting heavy is way harder than lite fighting.  Sure! you could ditch your ords and get into the killing but what was the point of taking bombs?  Oh yer...to play the strat game

As far as the Paton quote   again.  I play to win.  and others don't?I promise to slap you around repeatedly in any plane under any conditions and if I fail, I ll go find out why and try to get better.  Gawd you'd think you was gods gift.  There are strat players that have equal skill in fighter mode but you forget where some of your fighter buddies acquired the talents That is were the fun is.  Winning the fights that are unpredictable, different, against different opponents and with many other variables.  As opposed to flying/fighting in heavy, giving away any advantage to destroying the target and getting home again.  Tut tut...you need bifocals Since this is not a real war, winning is only fun if somehow it was earned.  oh ..you mean like coordinate a capture or a pork run.  Fighting, bombing, dive bombing under enemy fire and still trying live.  Like resetting a map through team work or do you mean shooting newbies down that ain't got 6 years under their belt In a real war however, if I was going to go down, I'd rather do it while I took a few bad guys with me instead of crashing into a building while checking if the church was up  

BTW, I have never met anyone in the game that could put up a fight, that promots porking and winning the war. yes you have... want a lens cleaner to go with the new glasses?   At the same time, I have never met a general that actually had any kind of hope after missing the initial HO.  well if a general went for a HO I'd have to agree he blew it So, one could say that the real quitters, the ones that lost and are smiling, are the ones that decided they could not learn how to fight, and since they cannot win against other humans, they will try an win against buildings.  Just a theory of course     Considering your view is myopic I'd have to say your theory is full of holes.  And as a former (strat) player plenty of those holes were put in you by me. 

How about that for a critical sarcastic lol or rolf.  Many who learn to fight have learnt to do so from playing the strat side of the game?  Unless of cause I'm the only one. 

[waystin2]

I say do what you like and stay off of everyone elses back.  Just have fun!  This is a suggestion for us all.