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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2010, 09:54:12 AM »
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I still have the film of that Candy Mountain Mishun, where the 12 of us "dueled in 24's".    :uhoh
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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2010, 09:58:15 AM »
That was a blast. I think I was the last one trying to limp home after that.


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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2010, 10:06:43 AM »
A squad I was in used to do weekly squad duels in the da.  A couple times we did B5N duels.  That was a blast.
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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2010, 10:53:54 AM »
stay on the subject guys, looks like a HO to me.
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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2010, 02:12:02 PM »
well I don't need to watch the film, the guys a complete -place bad word of choice here- besides most say it was not, grizz says it was hmmmmmm  I think most are saying it's not because the person in question is -again place bad word of choice here- and even if it was a HO the recipient deserves everything he gets.


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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2010, 10:01:45 PM »
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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2010, 10:06:40 PM »
After Review:

The ruling on the field stands: Legitimate shot by Loathing.

We have a penalty: Unsportsman like conduct, number 79 - Limbo0.  Penalty will be assesed on the next Duel.  1st down Loathing.

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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2010, 10:09:11 PM »
The best thing about the duel:

Limb0: YOU HO'D ME!! (paraphrasing to avoid rule violations)

Loathing: Thanks for the duels.

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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2010, 11:56:07 PM »
I reviewed the film several times.

A few things.

First limbo was defensive the whole time (in the film snippet). He works around for an angle but loath easily counters with a very nice verticle reversal and is coming down for a shot.

Limbo is climbing strait up at him for several seconds....forcing his nose into a diving bandit...bad idea.

The problem arises when Limbo pushes his nose forward...that small neg push gives Loath a nice canopy shot.

Limbo could have created a nice verticle revers out of his nose up positon be he doesnt turn soon enough...he just goes strait at Loath nose on.

As the two come to merge it is Limbo who gives up the angle allowing Loath a shot..That is Limbo's fault.

Limbo does two things that cause his death....#1 holding nose on verticle to a diving bandit...#2 neg g push in front allowing the shot.

From the screen shot below you can easily see the angles.

Not a ho in my book...especially when a defensive con is pulling nose up into a diving bandit....

As for a possible collision....negative...look at the screen shots its easy to see there wasn't going to be one...and even if there was it was the low bandit going nose on that would have created said collision in the first place.

From Limbo's perspective it looks like a head on but if you look from the fixed view it is not. Limbo NEVER has a shot.








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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2010, 12:14:45 AM »
It looks like Loathing got around just a little bit faster and Limbo failed to profile his P38. One of the things I tell my P38 students is to always show the flat side of the P38, from the top a blind deaf man with parkinsons could hit it. From the side, its about as small as a 109 and you'd be surprised how often it can save you.

Regardless, Limbo has a well known propensity for complaining. He was complaining about spies just the other day after his 4th failed NOE run to the same base in less than an hour.
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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2010, 12:55:41 AM »
Even though I think it was a HO, Limbo put himself in that crappy spot and deserves to die for it.  The plane on top there will always have the advantage.  I don't think you can expect Limbo to pull it in much tighter than that for it to be guns off though.  Any tighter and he is risking ram, which imo was what he was trying to avoid in the first place.  What Del said though would have been Limbo's best bet but he instead one dimensionally flew straight at the enemy plane who had a slight edge on him.  He deserved to die, but it was HOish and I think a collision could have easily occured had Limbo decided to ram him.

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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2010, 06:51:29 AM »
Just looking at the last few guys posting you have a subset of the "who's who" of duelers. All of them have one thing in common, they naturally incorporate a shot defense into there reversal....in fact they pretty much count on your taking a shot. So they manufacture an early in plane look and transition to an out of plane ("getting skinny") position in the shot window and then back into plane as they reverse and pull lead.

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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2010, 07:45:00 AM »
Oh for goodness sake I am not even going to attempt to read through the 4 pages of explanations on it...If you ho so what it ends the fight quicker one way or the other. I used to be all about chasing the tail. Now I take a shot when I get it because I suck so much more than I used to.
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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2010, 07:48:53 AM »
Oh for goodness sake I am not even going to attempt to read through the 4 pages of explanations on it...If you ho so what it ends the fight quicker one way or the other. I used to be all about chasing the tail. Now I take a shot when I get it because I suck so much more than I used to.
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Re: Did I HO Limbo0?
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2010, 08:14:38 AM »
Even though I think it was a HO, Limbo put himself in that crappy spot and deserves to die for it.  The plane on top there will always have the advantage.  I don't think you can expect Limbo to pull it in much tighter than that for it to be guns off though.  Any tighter and he is risking ram, which imo was what he was trying to avoid in the first place.  What Del said though would have been Limbo's best bet but he instead one dimensionally flew straight at the enemy plane who had a slight edge on him.  He deserved to die, but it was HOish and I think a collision could have easily occured had Limbo decided to ram him.

I agree here.  Keep in mind that this game is ruled by what every one is seeing on their FEs.  To the other guy this set up could easily look as 100% head on.  Now, since it was Limbo, I agree the shot is good and I would have taken it against him also lol.
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