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« on: April 06, 2010, 02:16:52 AM »
What are some combat tactical maneuvers that would prepare you for any situation in a dogfight. For instance what would you do if you had a plane dead on your 6 split s or something else. What do you think you should do.
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 02:19:01 AM »
What do you think makes a person a good pilot and maybe post some pictures of maneuvers for any situation.
Read the first post in the following thread.

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What do you consider skill
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 02:19:25 AM »
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« Last Edit: April 06, 2010, 02:21:26 AM by MachFly »
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 02:32:43 AM »
Read the first post in the following thread.

Sums up what to shoot for succinctly.

What do you consider skill
Yes,but that's what makes you a pilot that score boards basically what about a tactical situation that deals with maneuvers. First of all what are some maneuvers because I only know the basic stuff. I'm looking for advanced tactics,the what do you consider skill post just shows you goals and what makes you a good pilot. I'm talking about tactical combat maneuvers.
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 02:36:28 AM »
this may help you out.

http://www.netaces.org/
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 02:40:43 AM »
this may help you out.

http://www.netaces.org/
Not completely what I'm looking for still very useful stuff but again mostly just basics. Topgun isn't on this post for no reason at all. The navy got the top 1% of its best pilots. There not using to many basics that top 1%.
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 02:41:56 AM »
What are some combat tactical maneuvers that would prepare you for any situation in a dogfight. For instance what would you do if you had a plane dead on your 6 split s or something else. What do you think you should do.

Well not to be vague but there's a ton of variables. What plane is on my 6? What plane am I in? What alt? Ammo and fuel load? Where am I on the map relative to friendly and enemy bases? E states?

Are the enemies close by likely to engage if I attempt reversal? If so are there friendlies nearby where we can engage and kill them all if I can get them all to engage me?

FWIW, in a  1V1, split S is a completely defensive move and not one I would go with unless I was looking to permanently disengage for some reason.  Unless I am crippled or facing a gangbang, I(and most experienced sticks) am looking for a way to kill the bad guy. I'd be using moves that help with reversal and/or negate enemy E advantage.
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 02:45:21 AM »
Well anybody hear about a WWI German fighter pilot who made 10 rules.I consider them more of guidelines but still very useful stuff.
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 02:46:45 AM »
Well anybody hear about a WWI German fighter pilot who made 10 rules.I consider them more of guidelines but still very useful stuff.

Dicta Boelcke?
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 02:47:22 AM »
Is this what your looking for?

http://f15eeagle.tripod.com/manu.html




For instance what would you do if you had a plane dead on your 6 split s or something else. What do you think you should do.
In that case your pretty much screwed   :old:
« Last Edit: April 06, 2010, 03:20:17 AM by MachFly »
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 02:48:54 AM »
Well anybody hear about a WWI German fighter pilot who made 10 rules.I consider them more of guidelines but still very useful stuff.

Boelcke?

He makes some good points but doesn't account for certain circumstances and some are not practical for gameplay.
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 02:54:05 AM »
Not completely what I'm looking for still very useful stuff but again mostly just basics. Topgun isn't on this post for no reason at all. The navy got the top 1% of its best pilots. There not using to many basics that top 1%.

Don't dismiss the stuff that is posted on Netaces.org.  Some of that information, such as how to merge, energy fighting and other articles like that is exactly what you're asking for. 

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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 02:59:36 AM »
Try reading the book No Guts No Glory by Frederick Blesse. There is a lot of good stuff in there.

Not completely what I'm looking for still very useful stuff but again mostly just basics. Topgun isn't on this post for no reason at all. The navy got the top 1% of its best pilots. There not using to many basics that top 1%.

If you want tactics for AH2 topgun is probably not what you want. Topgun covers tactics for heavy highspeed jets not light single engine piston driven fighters. Plus I bet the actual stuff that they teach in topgun is classified.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2010, 03:05:28 AM by MachFly »
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 03:13:31 AM »
What are some combat tactical maneuvers that would prepare you for any situation in a dogfight. For instance what would you do if you had a plane dead on your 6 split s or something else. What do you think you should do.
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Re: TOPGUN acm
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 03:51:24 AM »
Not completely what I'm looking for still very useful stuff but again mostly just basics. Topgun isn't on this post for no reason at all. The navy got the top 1% of its best pilots. There not using to many basics that top 1%.
You are wrong. The best pilots do not make a lot of fancy moves - they actually tend to make very simple ACM, but do the correct ACM in the right time and the right way. On top of that, if you are good and know what you are doing, you will not even NEED fancy ACM.

Also, do not et too hyped over top-gun. They still do pretty basic, small scale dogfighting. It is just that the other pilots do not do even that.
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