D9 guns again.

[straffo]

 

Originally posted by Citabria:
anyone having trouble hitting with the la7 btw?  

[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 04-19-2001).]

Na in the LA7 my convergence is set at -1 so even if I miss my target I can at least shot my own plane ...

Serioulsy I rarely open fire before 250 yard so I've not trouble with any plane ... my convergence is set at 250 meters, my only trouble is avoiding getting shot down before making the target enter my lethal zone  

[Jekyll]

 

All I know is that Pyro, is the kind of person to be convinced by solid facts.

That's nice to hear Verm.  I suppose we can assume then that the rollrates for the various AH aircraft will shortly be fixed?  

You'd be aware of the problem ... that TESTING of the AH aircraft has revealed that, with the singular exception of the Fw190, the AH aircraft for which NACA data are available roll too quickly?

Of course, the problem has only been known of for the past 4 months, and its only been 4 months since Pyro stated on this board that he was aware that the Typhoon rollrate was screwy, but I imagine it will get fixed sometime in the future.

But I won't be holding my breath waiting for it    After all, the only aircraft disadvantaged is LW.

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by Jekyll:
After all, the only aircraft disadvantaged is LW.

How are the 190s at disadvantage??? I took one for a quick ride yesterday and while checking the plane out rolled it around couple of time. It rolls better then any plane I've tried before in AH. Not only that, but my squaddie acctually said I was warping a bit while doing that. No wonder that the only defence many of the LW boys do is roll around(to those who don't, flying such roll machine I prob would have started to cheat too ).

mx22

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[Graywolf]

 

Originally posted by Jekyll:
You'd be aware of the problem ... that TESTING of the AH aircraft has revealed that, with the singular exception of the Fw190, the AH aircraft for which NACA data are available roll too quickly?

It did? Didn't seem that simple to me. The only figures that were banded around were for a stick for of 50lb. It you look at the shape of those curves it's quite clear that many of those planes would roll quicker given higher stick forces (depedning on speed of course).

What that graph mostly showed is that some planes had much lighter controls than others.

 

Of course, the problem has only been known of for the past 4 months, and its only been 4 months since Pyro stated on this board that he was aware that the Typhoon rollrate was screwy, but I imagine it will get fixed sometime in the future.

He did? Wasn't it more along the lines of. 'Yeah that looks a bit odd. Not sure right now what data I used for the Typhoon roll rate. I'll double check.'

Maybe he did....

Just a guess =)

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[Jekyll]

 

flying such roll machine I prob would have started to cheat too

Well mx22, you may already be 'cheating' and not know it  

If you're flying the Spit IX, you've got an average 11 deg/sec roll rate that perhaps you shouldn't have.

If you fly the Typhoon, you've got an average 37 degree/sec roll rate that perhaps you shouldn't have.

Before talking about 'cheats', start checking your own nest out first  

[AKSeaWulfe]

You're right Toad... damned MSN requires you to login.. It's 913KB zipped up, is that your real email in your profile? I'm going to send it to that address. If it bounces or doesn't work, send me an email at: weissdr1@yahoo.com and I'll email it to you.
-SW

[AKSeaWulfe]

190s at a disadvantage.... good joke.
-SW

[Daff]

"The only figures that were banded around were for a stick for of 50lb."
Actually, I believe that's the max amount of lateral stickpressure a normal person can be expected to excert on the control-stick.
I 98% sure that it's the max stickpressure in WB and I would be very surprised if it was different in AH.

Daff

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[mx22]

You wrong, I don't cheat I fly Yak-9u these days and can't remember when was my last sortie in either Typhoon or SpitIX.

mx22

 

Originally posted by Jekyll:
Well mx22, you may already be 'cheating' and not know it  

If you're flying the Spit IX, you've got an average 11 deg/sec roll rate that perhaps you shouldn't have.

If you fly the Typhoon, you've got an average 37 degree/sec roll rate that perhaps you shouldn't have.

Before talking about 'cheats', start checking your own nest out first  

[Jekyll]

 

190s at a disadvantage.... good joke.

I can understand your attitude AKSeaWulfe.  After all, with most of your kills this tour in a Spitfire or Seafire, you'd have a lot to lose if rollrates were correct, wouldn't you  

Daff, that's my understanding as well.  But the stick forces aren't really relevant to the issue.  Hell, lets assume 100lb of lateral stick force.  For the sake of simplicity, just double the NACA rollrate figures for a stick force of 100lb.

The result?

The Spit, Tiffie and others are STILL too fast in their roll ... the 190's are STILL too slow, only this time the Tiffie's roll rate would be a massive 73 deg/sec on average too fast across the speed band.

Mx22 - I never said you DID cheat   I do, however, think you were out of line inferring that 190 pilots who used their roll rate to advantage were cheating.  If high speed rolls in AH induce microwarps, then that's a matter for HT to fix in code.

[AKSeaWulfe]

Yeah man, using a 190 for base defense makes sense... doesn't it????  

Lets take a closer look....
Tour 15:
Stain has 36 kills and has been killed 5 times in the fw190A-5.
Tour 14:
Stain has 25 kills and has been killed 3 times in the Fw 190D-9.
AKSWulfe has 43 kills and has been killed 9 times in the fw190A-5.
Tour 12:
AKSWulfe has 74 kills and has been killed 17 times in the fw190A-5.


Want me to continue? or did I paint a big enough picture for you?  
-SW

[MANDOBLE]

AKSeaWulfe, over'n over recurring to stats. Any normal (average) pilot in AH knows that these stats mean nothing. No way to know how the kills where achieved. Co E single engangement? vulch? Brutal advantage of E? Surprise? The other was a newby? The other was an expert? etc ... Please, dont use K/D as an excuse for anything, that alone doesnt prove anything.

[Toad]

SW, enjoyed the film. Looks like you were hitting with the cannons from about 7-600 on in on the buff.

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
AKSeaWulfe, over'n over recurring to stats. Any normal (average) pilot in AH knows that these stats mean nothing. No way to know how the kills where achieved. Co E single engangement? vulch? Brutal advantage of E? Surprise? The other was a newby? The other was an expert? etc ... Please, dont use K/D as an excuse for anything, that alone doesnt prove anything.

Woohoo Mandoble!! You completely missed the entire point of my post. Jekyll said something about me flying only SpitVs this tour so of course I wouldn't care about the 190's roll rate. So I dug up my stats to show him that I do fly the 190 a LOT.

Now run along before you get mistaken yet AGAIN.
-SW

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by Toad:
SW, enjoyed the film. Looks like you were hitting with the cannons from about 7-600 on in on the buff.

Thanks Toad, I usually don't film flights but this time I wanted to see why I would sometimes miss the easiest of snapshots. I knew that it wasn't going to be a bad modelling of the plane or the guns, I figured it had something to do with the long nose and the reduced area below the gunsight for lead shots. When I saw my shots falling long over the B17, I knew I was too high so I just pushed over and used the MG's to calibrate my aim then let loose with the 20s.
When I was 1 on 1 with that N1K I was getting frustrated each time I missed I would start grinding my teeth cuz I couldn't believe how bad I was screwing up and I was afraid during one of his zooms, I would just move a little and get me with his guns.

Thanks for watching it Toad!
-SW