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Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« on: April 26, 2010, 04:43:13 PM »
Welcome one, welcome all, to the Penguin vs Gyrene scientific debate!  Witness our two minds battle, and feel free to make funny comments! 

Rules:

1.) See forum rules

2.) If you want to jump in, feel free, just find someone to be your counterpart so we don't get a 3 on 1 in here

3.) Use your brain and think before you post

4.) Have fun

5.) There is no rule number five!

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 04:46:15 PM »
well we need an age and weight category for the Battle in Seattle 
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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 04:55:05 PM »
Compared to him, I'm far younger and lighter,

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 04:56:47 PM »
Hypothesis:  Due to the characteristic and dynamic forces that will be placed on this thread...giving a .02% variable in the dynamic this thread will lock in post four of page three.

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 05:04:23 PM »
ROFL...nice job Penguin...  :salute

Should we do the old IN before the lock? Nah...see how long we can run it.



Compared to him, I'm far younger and lighter,

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:rofl  :lol  :rofl  :lol Is that your hypothesis?






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My side is this...big bang theory and evolution (as the laypeople want to believe it) are flawed an as yet unprovable theories. Though useful in attempting to explain in a scientific manner many phenomena and the existence of life and the universe as we now view them...they are still educated guesses that are ever changing with every new discovery and changes in other theories.

This is the basis for my assertion.
Theory:
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

Fact:
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth
2. something known to exist or to have happened  -  (read as confirmed observation)
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2010, 05:24:44 PM »
Well, the parenthetical is an ad populum fallacy.  Next, give a better, and more succinct explaination for the universe expanding in all directions.

On the #2 assertion basis, please give me well established matter of fact to compare our "educated guesses" to, so that we may better understand your assertion.

On your defenition of "Fact", 1. is more applicable to a real object than a fact; 2 and 3 are fine though.  They are really the same thing if you think about it.  You make an observation, and then confirm it with experience. 

So Fact should read: Confirmed Observation.

Obviously any assertion relating to the origin of the universe could be viewed as untestable due to the fact that we can't go back and be there when it all started.  Evolution, is the change of species over time, which was    undeniably proven when our ancestors moved into Europe and developed lighter skin than their African counterparts.  The argument that you would have to make, is something like this:

Because of observation x, even unfavorable genes will be passed on; and reach levels of saturation equal to all other traits.

The problem is, that we would all probably have some sort of bizzare ailment like a 3rd arm, leg or lung (you could say that I do, I have 25% more left kidney than the average person of my age  :lol).

Natural selection is the process by which the change comes about, and evolution is just the change.

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 05:54:04 PM »
to many big words :O
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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 07:11:52 PM »
If Darwin was right there is no species of anything, but all creatures are independantly derived.
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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 08:06:59 PM »
Well, the parenthetical is an ad populum fallacy.  Next, give a better, and more succinct explaination for the universe expanding in all directions.

On the #2 assertion basis, please give me well established matter of fact to compare our "educated guesses" to, so that we may better understand your assertion.

On your defenition of "Fact", 1. is more applicable to a real object than a fact; 2 and 3 are fine though.  They are really the same thing if you think about it.  You make an observation, and then confirm it with experience. 

So Fact should read: Confirmed Observation.

Obviously any assertion relating to the origin of the universe could be viewed as untestable due to the fact that we can't go back and be there when it all started.  Evolution, is the change of species over time, which was    undeniably proven when our ancestors moved into Europe and developed lighter skin than their African counterparts.  The argument that you would have to make, is something like this:

Because of observation x, even unfavorable genes will be passed on; and reach levels of saturation equal to all other traits.

The problem is, that we would all probably have some sort of bizzare ailment like a 3rd arm, leg or lung (you could say that I do, I have 25% more left kidney than the average person of my age  :lol).

Natural selection is the process by which the change comes about, and evolution is just the change.

-Penguin

PS: IN!




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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 08:19:34 PM »

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 08:24:06 PM »
umm....the answer is... LEFT!!!! :headscratch:
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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 08:29:36 PM »
Here's a word for ya: logomachy

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 08:47:31 PM »
Where's the debate?.....

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2010, 08:58:41 PM »
Where's the debate?.....

Awaiting response from Gyrene...

There are different species, they all just share the same ancestor.

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Re: Debate: Penguin vs Gyrene
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2010, 09:02:22 PM »
Awaiting response from Gyrene...

There are different species, they all just share the same ancestor.

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wouldn't that make all creatures idependant derivatives of the original ancestor refined through natural selection. Just because i am similar to the bloke sitting next to me, why does that make us the same species?
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