Yes Moray, I did say to keep the personal attacks out of it...after you're first rant...in case you don't recall...
First, it doesn't always take that many generations or "extreme amount of pressure" to create a separate species, or sub-species. Limited population is essential, some hybrid population 1 or 2 generations prior to the isolation is enough, a good number of dormant genetic anomalies, and fast reproductive rates...it can occur in far less. It's been seen in fruit flies and tropical fish.
Speaking of which I know a breed is different from a species and I use dogs to illustrate the ease of rapid genetic mutation within a species...sorry if I worded it incorrectly or used it in the wrong context professor...and not all dogs can interbreed...the Bassett hound cannot breed with a Poodle or Chihuahua and several other breeds.
LOL...no need for the hazmat or flame resistant clothing...but uh did you just insinuate that the human race originated from Inuits? Please tell me you didn't.
The mutations shown by Moray prove the same thing they have always proven...dormant genetic anomalies that randomly appear through popluations with no pattern...nothing more, think about it this way...if all life on this planet started with a single organism, all life shares the basic genetic code from that organism...in the process of mutation, some traits had to be suppressed in order for the next level of mutation to continue...and not all traits can co-exist if the new mutation is to propagate. That is the reason that although humans are primates and share many genetic traits, we cannot breed with lower order primates. The ultimate question then becomes, what caused the mutations in the first place, if it was environmental, the amount of diversity would not exist...if it was caused by manipulation from other organisms, that would explain the diversity but that eliminates the idea of a single ancestral organism...or it could indicate intelligent design.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Moray has at least posted a paper with a bibliography. You make these broad, sweeping claims, which could be true, but you provide no proof, just your next inference. Realize that you have just bitten off quite a bit, and I'm waiting for all of the proof for this stuff.
Not to make the "expert fallacy", but Moray has gotten quite a lot of biology, and I'm pretty sure about marine gynecology under his belt. You will need quite a bit of proof to make him take back his words (I've almost never seen that happen!).
One other thing to avoid, for aesthetic and logical reasons, is the argument from ignorance. I've seen this used frequently when big words are brought out. If you want to argue against a point that someone makes, don't say something along the lines of "All of those fancy words are nice but...".
Like Moray said on species, this stuff takes a long time, and many generations. It also requires separation from the other members of the species, otherwise the genetic changes will be lost.
It also seems that you haven't been doing your Social Studies homework, since you forgot to notice that the post was referring to humans after an Ice Age.
-Penguin
