16 yr old teen lost at sea

[grizz441]

so you still dont have a valid point. did you ever think she has more talent then him and was able to pick it up easier than him?

take this for instance, it takes a normal American child 13 years to get through Schooling plus another 4-8 for college. But yet there are 10 year olds who have already graduated college? did age make a difference then?

or now lets talk about driving as it requires alot of mental thinking and some skills like sailing does.

whats the difference between someone who can get their permit at 15 and a child who has to wait till 16? if there was any statistical number that showed the kids who got it at 15 were less safe than kids at 16, the government wouldnt allow them to get it that young especially when its all about teen driving in schools nowadays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk

[flight17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk

there is risk in everything. Name one thing that doesnt have risk in it?

[1pLUs44]

yes you can!!! until they are adults they are under YOUR supervision, I will be dead before I let my kids do the things "they want"
 it's called good parenting, the parenting of today is straight up horrible they let the kids run the streets do and say whatever they want, it's sad really, very few kids now a days respect there parents, they think they have "privacy" 
   NOT in my house, I go through my kids FaceBook and Myspace and anything else that I feel I should, I make them delete friends that say bad crap or leave sexual comments.  heck I regret even letting them have a Facebook/myspace.

ANNND, when they get older, they're only going to act wild and crazy whenever they're given the chance. 

[grizz441]

there is risk in everything. Name one thing that doesnt have risk in it?

That's like saying, "Everything costs money so I might as well buy whatever I want".

[mensa180]

Some kids need parents in their lives to the nth degree and others don't, I wouldn't recommend applying the same parenting strategy to every personality.

[hlbly]

so you chose ethnic discrimination based on sterotypes?

ever think that your son had to go through alot more than what your girls did? he was 6 years old whn you split, they, by the sound of your first paragraph were in HS already and mature. you going through their computers doesnt do anything, it just means they hide it better. By the sound of it, you werent in your sons life after the split, did you ever think that was a part of it?

Its funny how i remember being 16 and yet never getting into trouble and doing what was right when my parents did nothing like what you did.

Ethnic discrimination ? Where do you get that ? My oldest is from another woman . When we split up there was no attempt to limit my contact . She spent as much time with me as her mother . Her mother had same philosophy I have about children rearing . As for "did I ever think" about what my son went through . Do you "think" that I could not have ? Do you think I still don't ? Do you think I don't have a feeling of guilt about my absence in his life ? Take a look at how family law works in this country bud . It does not matter how many times you file to have visitation orders obeyed . If the custodial parent does not bring the child to you or refuses to allow you to take them . Your only recourse is to file another parenting time enforcement order with the court . The judge will threaten contempt of court jail time . The next hearing will be in front of a different judge ,and she will be given another "last" chance . Then she will be in front of a judge for the second time and get a whoping 24 hours in county jail . That she will only spend a small fraction of that time actually in jail do to over crowding .  I don't know how you arrived at high school for my middle daughter since she is in her 2nd year of college . Try middle school instead . Her big advantage was she was allowed to have a say where she lived . She was also allowed to be a child . She was not required at age 11 to be a parent to half sister infant . You are not the only one glad I am not your parent . Your complete lack of respect for people . You also lack knowledge of the challenges faced by parents today . I will agree no two children are the same . My first child did not have the same level of supervision and intrusion into her life my second daughter did . She had two parents that worked together even when split up . That put aside differences and did what was best for their child . My second child did not have that . She had some challenges to face . Challenges where the problem was discovered early . Problems that did not reach the level of concern that requires court intervention in her life . How do you think they were discovered . No it wasn't the new age parenting fairy granting me a wish . It was an old school parenting technique . I would like to ask you how old you are ? How many kids do you have ?



Ink thanks for the concern . He won't need luck he has an overbearing parent who has no knowledge of how to successfully raise a child who will not quit . Who doesn't give a dam what people who say it is neurotic to raise kids with out philosophy . The same people that a responsible for an entire generation of under achieving ,disrespectful , slovenly , over medicated children we see today . The ones who's children are getting sentences  in adult courts ranging from a few years to life with out . My idea for going to school every day with my son is not my own . It was my mothers approach with my sister . When dad retired we went to our first open campus school . My sister decided after lunch classes were not important . After watching my mother go to class every day for 9 weeks , and what she did to bring attention to it . Made me decide to never try to skip myself . My sister was not the only one that wanted to die the first day mom walked into the cafeteria ,with a tray and said in a loud voice "where do the popular girls sit that where I want to be " ? Guess you could say I went to my own scared straight program . ROFL . I just picked up a little 4 wheel drive Toyota to be the carrot to off set the stick that he will be seeing shortly . For those of you out there who are going to say , I am abusive to even suggest a stick . It is not a real one . He is beyond the age where spanking would do any good . The stick he will face will be responsibility for his actions , and accountability to me for them . He must also know that actions not only carry consequences , they carry rewards as well .

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ANNND, when they get older, they're only going to act wild and crazy whenever they're given the chance. 

THEN THEY WILL BE ADULTS TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEY WILL HAVE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS IN THIS WORLD AND WHAT IT TAKES TO BE AN ADULT, BESIDES A BIT OF PARTING IS GOOD FOR YA



Ink thanks for the concern . He won't need luck he has an overbearing parent who has no knowledge of how to successfully raise a child who will not quit . Who doesn't give a dam what people who say it is neurotic to raise kids with out philosophy . The same people that a responsible for an entire generation of under achieving ,disrespectful , slovenly , over medicated children we see today[/size] . The ones who's children are getting sentences  in adult courts ranging from a few years to life with out . My idea for going to school every day with my son is not my own . It was my mothers approach with my sister . When dad retired we went to our first open campus school . My sister decided after lunch classes were not important . After watching my mother go to class every day for 9 weeks , and what she did to bring attention to it . Made me decide to never try to skip myself . My sister was not the only one that wanted to die the first day mom walked into the cafeteria ,with a tray and said in a loud voice "where do the popular girls sit that where I want to be " ? Guess you could say I went to my own scared straight program . ROFL . I just picked up a little 4 wheel drive Toyota to be the carrot to off set the stick that he will be seeing shortly . For those of you out there who are going to say , I am abusive to even suggest a stick . It is not a real one . He is beyond the age where spanking would do any good . The stick he will face will be responsibility for his actions , and accountability to me for them . He must also know that actions not only carry consequences , they carry rewards as well .
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COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER

[Vulcan]

also, this girl has been sailing since she was born. this is a sailing family. Her brother, holds the record currently for youngest solo when he was 17. She is only a year younger and is trying to beat him. Obviously both children and parents know what they are doing since you just dont get 2 random children from the same family going around the world on no experience.

and yet here she is, adrift and disabled in the middle of the southern ocean.

[Gh0stFT]

trying to break records, its human nature, but records with "youngest" driver, sailor and so on,
where is the stop? at 15y? or 10y? nobody knows, so this falls into the Darwin award category,
it could end up lucky but it is also possible to end fatal, is this all worth? dont ask me.

[Chalenge]

I dont have any problem with this young lady going for this adventure. She took all the precautions she could even though (as it turns out) the sea was a little more powerful than she expected. This is the kind of thing more young people need to do... not less. If society continues to cradle young people and protect them from any type of mishaps we will continue to have a greater and greater population of immature and inept individuals. Setting out on adventures to conquer the world are what makes adults adults and those that dont or consider it just too unsafe... well those are the sorts that just wont ever have lived life to its fullest. We dont need any more people unprepared for the consequences of their actions. We dont need inexperienced and overly nurtured brats rising to the top to tell us how wrong we are for taking risks. Risks are what makes life worth living. What ever happened to the spirit of adventure like that of Mallory and Irvine? Yes they are dead and they died attempting what many thought impossible. Today fewer and fewer things are impossible and so we should cheer those that still attempt to achieve their adventures. And yes if they succeed they deserve the rewards that are their due just as failure could very well bring due their death.

[Obie303]

Just heard on the news.  They found her alive.  This is one very lucky young lady.

[-tronski-]

and yet here she is, adrift and disabled in the middle of the southern ocean.

Meh, the Australian Navy is forever rescuing racers out of the Southern Ocean...sometimes more than once during the annual Vendee Globe solo round the world race. If needing rescue excluded participation based on age, sex , experience or vessel - then NO ONE would ever be crossing that stretch of water

 Tronsky

[DREDIOCK]

I dont have any problem with this young lady going for this adventure. She took all the precautions she could even though (as it turns out) the sea was a little more powerful than she expected. This is the kind of thing more young people need to do... not less. If society continues to cradle young people and protect them from any type of mishaps we will continue to have a greater and greater population of immature and inept individuals. Setting out on adventures to conquer the world are what makes adults adults and those that dont or consider it just too unsafe... well those are the sorts that just wont ever have lived life to its fullest. We dont need any more people unprepared for the consequences of their actions. We dont need inexperienced and overly nurtured brats rising to the top to tell us how wrong we are for taking risks. Risks are what makes life worth living. What ever happened to the spirit of adventure like that of Mallory and Irvine? Yes they are dead and they died attempting what many thought impossible. Today fewer and fewer things are impossible and so we should cheer those that still attempt to achieve their adventures. And yes if they succeed they deserve the rewards that are their due just as failure could very well bring due their death.

I agree.
From my own personal standpoint as a parent I'd be worried only because as a parent we always worry about kids. As a result we tend ot try to coddle and "protect" kids too much these days. I admit to being guilty to some small extent of that myself. But with society as a whole. We have reached the point of almost absurdity to the point of wrapping kids in bubble wrap before letting them go outside almost doesnt seem outside the realm of future possibility

But,as a person I see no reason why she shouldn't do it provided she had the skills to do so. which she obviously had or she never would have made it as far as she did.
As far as the sea being more powerful then she expected. Who is to say that an adult with decades worth of experience wouldn't have had the same problems or had the same thing happen to them?
Happens all the time. And nothing she experienced or what ended up happening is anything unique. Its happened before to far more experienced sailors.
As I mentioned before. she obviously has the skillset to have accomplished her goal or she never would have made it as far or as long as she has.
And as a further testimony to her skills. She's survived, Not only survived buut has done so n a cripppled boat and is now safe on a french fishing vessel.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article7148816.ece

Well at least as safe as she can be when in the presence of the French.
But she's alive anyway  

[DREDIOCK]

Just heard on the news.  They found her alive.  This is one very lucky young lady.

Actually they found her alive almost two days ago. The problem was in getting to her because she was so far out.

[flight17]

Ethnic discrimination ? Where do you get that ?

that’s what you did when you made your choice on what friends she could hang out with based on your opinion...

I would like to ask you how old you are ? How many kids do you have ?

early adult and none.  But i had to grow into the real world at age 12 when my grandma never recovered from a knee surgery. She never fully came out of the anesthesia. It was four years of ups and downs with her until her death in my ninth grade. So that was all of middle school and first year of high school i had to help take care of her with my mom because she pretty much couldn’t do anything on her own anymore. I even moved in with her.
So I know what its like to be a parent without actually having been one. I had to go through a hell of a lot more than any other kid my age did which matured me faster than the rest.

by no means am i saying your a bad father, but what i will say is that your parenting practices doesn’t make you a good one.